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From another article, that has been partially merged:

Assassins (musical), a 1991 musical by Stephen Sondheim and John Weidman. Dealing with the culture, psychology, and atmosphere which surrounds the unique American phenomenon of presidential assassination, it features every successful and attempted presidential assassin in American history (from John Wilkes Booth to John Hinckley). First opening off-Broadway at Playwrights Horizons in 1991, it received its Broadway debut on April 22, 2004. The production won six out of seven 2004 Tony awards for which it was nominated (Best Revival of a Musical, Best Featured Actor in a Musical (Michael Cerveris), Best Lighting Design (Peggy Eisenhauer and Jules Fisher), Best Direction of a Musical (Joe Mantello), and Best Orchestrations (Michael Starobin). After a limited run of 101 performances, it closed on July 18th, 2004.

not every attempted assassination is chronicled in the musical... the attempt on Andrew Jackson is left out.

At some point, there needs to be some mention of the various versions of the piece (with roles conflated in some, songs added, etc.) - Nunh-huh 23:59, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

It also leaves out former President Theodore Roosevelt while campaigning in 1912. 173.91.88.197 (talk) 04:10, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Synopsis[edit]

I added a synopsis. It was taken from http://www.mtishows.com/show_plot.asp?ID=000136 however I do not know how to cite it. any help? 69.138.90.108 19:45, 17 March 2007 (UTC)


Excellent. The synopsis was very long, so I did a paraphrase-and-edit to slim it down (with credit to source both in article and in citation/reference). I tried to do the whole slimming in two giant saves, so if anyone really hates what I did and wants to go back to the original go ahead and revert (but be sure to revert both saves). If you find a grammar, spelling, etc. error I made don't revert, that will wipe out the whole thing, just put your correction in on top.
The Musical Theater Project guidelines ask us to include the titles of each of the songs in the synopsis as they appear in the show, but I haven't seen this show. Does someone who feels confident integrate the missing song titles? I'm leaving the 'Expert' tag up for that.
~ Otterpops 01:03, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I copied the list of songs from the Sondheim.com and (assuming that was the only "expert" need) removed the expert tag. --teb728 00:04, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Nope, the Project guidelines call for integration of song titles into the Synopsis section rather than a separate bulleted list of songs. The reason I put the Expert tag up was that so many of the scenes contain no named musical number: I haven't seen this show so I wanted someone who had to check that the list of songs was complete. I did check the Synopsis against the list before clipping it - it looks like they're all present and accounted for. Good enough!
~ Otterpops 18:09, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I have a question regarding Scene 17 - while it takes place immediately following the JFK assassination sequence, the lyrics don't mention JFK; per the book, they were done that way deliberately so they could apply to any of the assassinations, so I'm wondering if this should be acknowledged in the description of the scene? Thanks Starmiter 03:28, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Sarah Vowell[edit]

Author Sarah Vowell begins her book Assassination Vacation with an anecdote about leaving New York City to see a production of it in New England. This seems pretty significant, but how to incorporate it into the article? Telestylo 06:59, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps in a bit of trivia? A section on trivia at the end? --Travlr23 16:55, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Perfomance section[edit]

Does anyone else think the last section on "Performing Assassins" is NPOV at worst and unnecessary at best?

Historical accuracy?[edit]

It would be interesting to say something in this article about how accurate or otherwise the script is in portraying history. 69.229.20.210 21:27, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

: For one, Booth didn't commit suicide. He was shot by a Union soldier. This definitely deserves a mention. Mdiamante 17:39, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Actually, it's still unclear if he committed suicide, or was shot by a Union soldier, and we probably will never know either way Starmiter 03:24, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Additionally, it is highly likely that Anton Cermak was, in fact, Giuseppe Zangara's target, thus rending the character entirely useless. Sam Byck, in reality, was a calm, cold person, which you can witness for yourself if you go to YouTube and search for some of his tape recordings. Lastly, Sara Jane Moore never knew Charles Manson or Squeaky Fromme, much less tried to kill Ford simultaneously with Fromme.

Anonymous 23:16, 10 February 2014 (EST)

Started Copy Edit[edit]

Will finish up tomorrow. ~ Otterpops 02:07, 16 March 2007 (UTC)


Linking days & years?[edit]

???

~ Otterpops 12:59, 16 March 2007 (UTC)


List of songs[edit]

Comparison of versions of recordings worth the large number of bulleted lists in this article? Tempted to cut the list of songs. Feedback?
~ Otterpops 13:42, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Never mind, found the Project Page instructions. ~ Otterpops 16:17, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

My edit was reverted. "November 22, 1963" is not a song. It is a track listing on the CD for a scene that is purely dialogue. The song in which the assassins convince Oswald to shoot Kennedy is listed in the score as "Scene 16," but in "Look I Made a Hat," Sondheim calls the song "Family." 24.152.180.2 (talk) 18:08, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Copyedit[edit]

Fair use rationale for Image:Assassins CD Cover.png[edit]

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Assessment[edit]

This is not a B-class article at present. Although it has most of the necessary information, it is disorganized, some of the "references" are to websites, without even pointing to the correct page within those websites and do no comply with WP:CITE; the plot synopsis does not comply with the article structure guidelines at WP:MUSICALS. -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:44, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Song cut?[edit]

The page says that the song in the "November 22, 1963" scene was cut in later productions. Is this true? I seem to recall seeing the song in place in videos of the show on Youtube, including a bootleg of the Broadway revival. Given that the "song list" had listed pieces of dialogue and not songs, this may simply be an error on the part of an editor who went by track listing. 130.191.89.156 (talk) 23:12, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

This is an error. The song was not cut from the show at all. The only thing cut from the show in the revised version are about five or six lines of dialogue in the bar scene following the Ballad of Booth User:Ringkichardthethird —Preceding undated comment added 07:23, 7 June 2011 (UTC).

Copy violation, synopsis[edit]

The synopsis added on June 17, 2013 is a copy from [[1]]. I have returned the synopsis to the earlier good version to delete what is a clear copy violation (see WP:COPYVIO for the very strict policy regarding copyright violations).Flami72 (talk) 22:03, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

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Lee Harvey Oswald is the alleged, repeat alleged, assassin of JFK[edit]

Since no one saw Lee Harvey Oswald shoot JFK, and since Oswald was never tried and convicted of shooting/killing JFK, he is legally the alleged, repeat alleged, assassin of JFK. Booth was seen to shoot Lincoln although he was shot and fatally wounded before he could be tried and convicted of doing so. The killers of President Garfield and President McKinley were observed to commit the crime and were then tried and convicted of doing so in a court of law. Since no one saw Oswald shoot JFK, and he was never tried and convicted of shooting/killing JFK, he should be described as the alleged assassin of JFK. 2605:E000:CA45:AA00:C87F:6257:44EA:852A (talk) 05:57, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

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