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A fact from Ayaks appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 29 December 2007, and was viewed approximately 4,603 times (disclaimer) (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the projected Russian hypersonic aircraft Ayaks was supposed to use novel "magneto-plasmo-chemical engines" capable of working in the mesosphere?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2007/December.

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Old talk[edit]

I'm Ilyusha V. Novikov, the author of the article. I'm new at this, so please forgive and correct me if I did anything wrong. This article has a problem with the "in-text references" at the moment; I'd be more then glad if anybody could help me out of this. The subject of the text was top secret, and is very little known even today. That is why it is difficult to find reliable sources to it. For those of you who wish to verify the truthfulness of the article, you can proceed by following the link below, which includes an E-book of the Maxim Kalashnikov's "The broken sword of the Empire" . The essential part where the mechanisms and purposes of the AYaKS are explained is in chapter 9 part 6. One warning though, it's in Russian. I found no reliable sources in English, and the other source ("Технику - молодёжи" monthly journal, number 12, 1995) is unfortunately unavailable on the web.

http://biblioteka.org.ua/book.php?id=1121022183&p=16

Hi, Ilyusha. You may want to change "Plight of the project" to "Status of the project" since "plight" means "a dangerous or difficult situation." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.16.57.195 (talk) 23:56, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The main problem of this highly scientifically proved article that it is 99% based on the science fiction books of single author.

You may want to mention to that the Aurora has never been proven to exist beyond a word reference in a defence budget, it may not exist, may exist or may in fact be several different aircraft. Just saying you should change it to 'hypothetical Aurora Aircraft' or something simliar. -IkonicDeath —Preceding unsigned comment added by IkonicDeath (talk • contribs) 11:06, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

--not to mention the fact that during the 70's and 80's (and ot a lesser extent since) there was alot of interest in hypersonic planes in general, for example the Rockwell X-30, which the Ayaks seems to resemble greatly. it seems to me that the more reasonable assumption is that it was created in response to that interest, not a specific hypothetical project. 156.110.35.114 (talk) 17:49, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Um[edit]

So is there any proof or updates on this Ayaks? Seems very farfetched. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.205.70.254 (talk) 06:25, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mesosphere[edit]

Even if the ceiling of 36 km is impressive, mesosphere is defined as lying between 50 and 85 km, so even if Ayaks is a viable concept, it is not going to be a mesospheric aircraft, unless it conforms to the purported, earlier estimates of 60 km. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.92.43.122 (talk) 23:49, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

MAKS Airshow demonstration[edit]

I searched the online sources and google images for any photo/video evidence of a full-scale or even a subscale flying prototype of the Ayaks and wasn't able to find any. I also can't read Russian. A functional prototype is a remarkably advanced stage for such a mystical program. Mwace (talk) 17:26, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps what was shown at MAKS 2001 was actually this: "In 2001, at the MAKS air and space show in Moscow, the Flight Research Institute, LII, based in Zhukovsky, displayed a full-scale mockup of the winged HFL-VK experimental vehicle designed for test flights at hypersonic speeds."[1] Nanobear (talk) 21:40, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a pic of HFL-VK: [2]. It looks a bit similar. Nanobear (talk) 21:57, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Couldnt find any evidence of showing these informations on MAKS 2001 (my father was there and he don't remeber anything like that either, and he would be really interested in hypersonic black projects). Any more sources? --178.41.80.60 (talk) 22:52, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Attention needed[edit]

While I was able to determine from a quick Googling that Ayaks/Ajax and the MHD propulsion are not a hoax, the article as it is is pretty awful. The style is all wrong, and there's lots of dubious-sounding claims. Somebody who knows more about this should really take a good look. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 21:10, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Removed PROD[edit]

It's a real project (or at least it was), and notable enough to deserve an article.[3] There is lots of info here which seems to be well-sourced. I haven't seen any real arguments yet why the Russian-language sources should be regarded as unreliable. If there's too much speculation, the speculation should be removed, but that's not a reason to delete the whole article. Nanobear (talk) 21:49, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Russian-language articles[edit]

Luckily, now Google Translate (and Google Chrome embedded Translate) can translate the referenced Russian-language articles (i.e., http://biblioteka.org.ua/book.php?id=1121022183&p=16 and http://www.sergib.agava.ru/russia/leninets/ajax/ajax.htm) in full online. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SalineBrain (talk • contribs) 19:19, 14 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]