Talk:2024 Bangladesh anti-Hindu violence

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Scope

Rather than anti-Hindu, can we remake the article to look at all post-resignation violence? Many Awami League leaders were attacked, and some of the Hindu people attacked were Awami League leaders. Limiting the article narrows down the scope of the article significantly.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 11:34, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The protests resulted in anti-Hindu violence regardless of whether they were Awami leaders or not. Targeting of Hindu population is a reality in Bangladesh and one should not white-wash it. SpunkyGeek (talk) 17:39, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hell no. This is about anti-hindu violence, Hindus are having to protest (this wanton violence) in the streets of Bangladesh. Mohammad Yunus also had discussions with Hindu leaders about it. This is a communal riot against the Hindus. Any attempts to whitewash this is a complete manifestation of bias against Hindus. 103.52.220.222 (talk) 18:57, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Whatever that is, if you want to use pictures or news, please do not use it from Indian media, at least make sure to verify them through Bangladeshi or other countries' media because there are so many pictures belong to muslims but claimed as hindus BlackRider90 (talk) 15:25, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with @Vinegarymass911. As much as the Hindus/minority groups were attacked most of them were AL leaders and members of fraction entities such as JL & BCL of the party. There's more than enough independent international source (other than Indian & Bangladeshi) to prove that it wasn’t necessarily a "communal violence". Source: German, UK/British, Turkish, Qatari. Bruno pnm ars (talk) 12:18, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disagree I am sure an other article could be created on that topic, remaking the article in that manner makes things way to general. ThatBritishAsianDude (talk) 18:52, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I mean, with your logic this article shouldn’t exist in the first place. Wikipedias WP:NPOV policy clearly states we need reliable sources and neutral point of view. Which both is missing in this article. And IP's from South Asia (especially India) are vandalising this article and bringing false/unreliable sources aswell as making it more biased. I'll once again vouch for the changing of the title. Bruno pnm ars (talk) 10:09, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I mean multiple people seem to disagree with you on that, and i agree with you that IP's from South Asia are to present on this page but that includes both India and Bangladesh. Both seem to only want to present their point of view here and changing it would honestly only present the view of Bangladesh and also whitewash it which in itself isn't WP:NPOV, which is probably why editors from there are now bringing this up not only on this page, but pages with similar subjects which is kind of a Conflict of interest. Going to leave it at that. ThatBritishAsianDude (talk) 22:28, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with @Vinegarymass911, because the observers are not sure about whether this violence is communal or politically motivated, while most of them are tilting towards the latter. The title "anti-Hindi violence" doesn't conform to the WP:NPOV standards. Za-ari-masen (talk) 18:29, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disagree: There are separate articles which go in detail about the violence that followed post resignation of Sheikh Hasina, this article goes into detail about the attack on minorites, in my opinion, both of them are valid and should be treated separately and equally by the wiki standards.

Xoocit (talk) 15:57, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Indian citation

I've seen so many international media such as DW & BBC Verify to refute the claims made by the Indian media outlets. Also, the Ground News posted most of the citation given in this articles, such as The Hindu, Hindustan Times etc. as biased which clearly violates WP:NPOV & WP:CS. Should we still use them as reliable source? Thoughts? @Wiki N Islam@Mehedi Abedin@ApurboWiki2024@Vinegarymass911@Ltbdl Bruno pnm ars (talk) 11:24, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, I will not support them to be used as a reliable source, at least for this article. Wiki N Islam (talk) 11:32, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, Most news identified as fake.

ApurboWiki2024 (talk) 13:21, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion South Asian sources in general shouldn't be used here there is to much Recency bias and WP:COI going on here. THe sources from India will obviously exaggerate while those from Bangladesh will do evertything to make it sound as good as possible. Not including religious sources that favour to either Hindus or Muslims would also help keeping it Neutral ThatBritishAsianDude (talk) 23:25, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Refer to WP:RSPS for the list of reliable sources which have been reliable for many years now, the list was created for instances such as these when is an expectation of bias of local or regional sources.

An example to cite here is Al Jazeera English is used as WP:RS even in articles which relate to the Middle East or Qatar conflicts because it is mentioned in the RSPS list. Xoocit (talk) 16:11, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV tag

@Bruno pnm ars@Wiki N Islam@Mehedi Abedin@ApurboWiki2024@Vinegarymass911@Nomian I tried to add the NPOV tag to the article based on the discussion we have here. The title itself violates WP:NPOV since a lot of the observers are calling this politically motivated violence and not communal. However, ThatBritishAsianDude keeps removing the tag. Do you guys agree that there are POV concerns with this article? Za-ari-masen (talk) 01:49, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted it cause you only now discussed it, how are ther Pov concerns when only few of the multitude of sources used are Indian while majority of the sources here are either international or from Bangladesh. I also told you before how adding tags often lead to nothing and it and up being forgotten. Making the articlr better yourself is a better way to go ThatBritishAsianDude (talk) 04:08, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The NPOV tag should be removed. Isn't there already a section addressing misinformation/ disinformation, with sources and sentences that are, admittedly, highly questionable and biased? That section should provide the necessary balance. What more do people expect from NPOV? How much more forced neutrality do people want? complete whitewash is NPOV? At this point, it feels like plain denial. It's a classic case of stubbornness and a united mob mentality to revert edits — nothing to do with logic. DangalOh (talk) 20:55, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They don't understand what these tags mean and when to remove, [1]. Nomian (talk) 04:56, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe that the title violates WP:NPOV since there exists articles of similar incidents in 2013 and 2014. They started as political violence but escalated into communal/racially targetted violence.

Multiple WP:RS have also reported that the student groups have pleaded and in some instances, fought[1] to stop attack on minorites which for the moment conclusively defines that there are attacks were targetted towards minority groups and not politcally motivated. Xoocit (talk) 16:06, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Focusing at the real situation

It is true that there are numerous attacks on hindus, but where can we get the real pictures? because most of the pictures were from Indian media and social networks later proved to be related to other incidents nothing to do with those attacks. And another thing is that would it be better to classify the attacks into two parts Awami and Non-awami? So that people can research about them later and also there is a high chance of changing the causes behind them as investigation is going on BlackRider90 (talk) 15:35, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Improving article clarity

Welcome everyone. Some media outlets in India have shared misleading information about the violence. However, since India is a neighbor of Bangladesh, many Indian journalists are in Bangladesh and have reported on this incident. But renowned Indian news outlets cannot share false information because they operate at an international level. Therefore, not using any Indian news reports in the article is nothing but foolish. Renowned and popular media outlets in India and other countries have reported on the incidents of violence against Hindus in Bangladesh. Mentioning the affected districts as subheadings and including the incidents of violence in those districts will help readers understand the articles better. This will make the article more comfortable to read. What do you think? ZeetBaralWiki 💬 talk ZeetBaralWiki (talk) 16:15, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]