Talk:Batman emblem

Fair use rationale for Image:Batmanserial1943.JPG

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Fair use rationale for Image:Batemblem.jpg

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Fair use rationale for Image:Batmanlogo.jpg

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BetacommandBot 01:42, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Where are the pictures of the different logos??

Right now the article is pointless if you can't see the actual logo's —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.70.235.127 (talk) 04:12, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

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Redirect

I support the redirect of the article to Batman by User:WesleyDodds. I don't think there's enough written about the symbol to justify a Wikipedia article. I don;t think there's enough material to meet WP:N, and I'm also unclear how exactly we write about it without breaching WP:NOR. We can't speculate, analyse or synthesise. Hiding T 11:03, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. This is exactly the sort of thing that can make an excellent section, but a very lousy article subject. --erachima talk 11:28, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

In that vein, it may have been better to fold it into Batsuit first. I know Wesley has mentioned he'd like to see that wind up as a redirect as well, but it may be best to see if both are salvageable as a single article before trying to find a way to ad a line or two, if that, to the very large article on the character. - J Greb (talk) 23:19, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

I disagree. Most of the information is verifiable. From the primary sources, at the very least. And does no one believe that articles have been written concerning the symbol? - jc37 09:23, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

• But is the article creating a novel narrative? WP:NOR used to have a quote from Jimmy on this, it has gone but they're using a different one, "Some who completely understand why Wikipedia ought not create novel theories of physics by citing the results of experiments and so on and synthesizing them into something new, may fail to see how the same thing applies to history." That also applies to writing about fiction. We should also rely on reliable, published secondary sources. I agree that this should be a section somewhere, and maybe we need an article on the Iconography of Batman. I would suspect that has a lot of scholarly research. But rather than put the cart before the horse, maybe we should research before we write? Reading through the article, we have a section on cultural ubiquity which either needs sourcing or is original research, we have analytical claims in the section on the original version, and again in the 1964 version. All we can do with primary source is describe, so we're left saying it was drawn like this in this issue by this artist, and then stayed the same until they added yellow in this issue, and then it stayed the same until they dropped the yellow in this issue... okay, I'm exaggerating a little, but only a little. You can't claim in one section that artistic differences are variations and in the next claim they are re-designs without recourse to secondary sources. And if the sources exist, well, at what point do we say where are they? Yes, it's the conundrum; do we sit on stuff we feel will get sourced or do we clean it up? Hiding T 10:56, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

  So your concern is a suggested relationship of the emblems?

  I'm looking through the page (the version prior to the redirect), and I see a fair amount of "extra" commentary which should be removed, and a few statements that could use cites, but I still see a decent stub article, even after that.

  I'll do a work-up, to show what I mean. - jc37 23:41, 19 September 2008 (UTC)