Talk:Battle of Rossignol

Battle of Rossignol was a Warfare good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

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Date	Process	Result
January 19, 2015	Good article nominee	Not listed

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on August 22, 2014.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that 100 years ago today the French 3rd Colonial Division was virtually destroyed at the Battle of Rossignol?

A fact from this article was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "On this day..." column on August 22, 2024.

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Aftermath: "Queen Elizabeth II unveiled a monument at the site in 1925"

Oh really? Does this refer to the present British Monarch (who wasn't born until 1926?

Perhaps her mother Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother? Terry Thorgaard (talk) 16:11, 22 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It was neither. It was actually Elisabeth of Bavaria, Queen of Belgium. Don't know how I managed to get QEII in there... - Dumelow (talk) 19:14, 22 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Battle of Rossignol/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Auntieruth55 (talk · contribs) 20:54, 3 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()

3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()

Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

2 DAB links. Bellefontaine (Background) and St Vincent (Prelude).

Fixed - Dumelow (talk) 19:40, 4 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

Thus isolated, the German forces were able to defeat the troops remaining in the village. The German forces were isolated? This sentence (in lead) needs revision or clarification.

I have reworded this sentence - Dumelow (talk) 19:40, 4 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The division's commander Léon Amédée François Raffenel was killed alongside one of his brigade commanders They were killed side-by-side, or both killed in the battle?

Fixed - Dumelow (talk) 19:40, 4 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Box: Image in the box tells me nothing about where it is. It is much too detailed. Either show me a pic of the village, or give me a larger location map, and then include that map in beginning of the article?

Swapped for a new image I found showing the village after the battle - Dumelow (talk) 09:07, 9 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Box: General Lefèvre....surely we know his full name. Is it Général Justinien Lefèvre

Was Jules Charles Auguste Lefèvre, have linked - Dumelow (talk) 09:07, 9 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Link to Rossignol is to a set index article. This is what you meant? There is a link to Rossignol Wood cemetery, which is possibly the right place, at least of the cemetery for the battle.

We have no article on English Wikipedia that is relevant (the cemetery is at a completely different location in France and is related to a Somme battlefield), the French Wikipedia article is at fr:Rossignol (Gaume) and the Dutch at nl:Rossignol. An English language article at Rossignol, Belgium or something similar would be the ideal target - Dumelow (talk) 09:05, 9 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I put a link to the battle on the set index page, but we really need at least a stub on Rossignol Belgium. auntieruth (talk) 19:46, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Background The German invasion from 4 August saw German armies advancing through Belgium, whilst holding a static defensive front south from Metz to the Swiss border in accordance with the Schlieffen Plan which prioritised the capture of Paris. The French Colonial Corps, part of the Fourth Army was situated at Stenay (North-eastern France) on the Chiers River, with the XII Corps on its left flank and the II Corps on its right. It's not clear if this is the Schlieffen plan (to advance through Belgium) or if the Schlieffen plan is just to hold Metz to Switzerland. I thought the plan was to take France using a pronged attack across the shared border. Instead, the G went through Belgium....despite knowing that this would bring Britain and everyone else into any war. So, basically, they held to part of the Schlieffen plan (temporarily) and jettisoned the rest, right? And then jettisoned the whole thing? I think we need to have more background that sets up why the French were taken by such surprise in this. auntieruth (talk) 21:23, 3 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It seems my understanding of Schlieffen is behind the times. I will read up on current thinking and try to update this section - Dumelow (talk) 10:04, 9 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Writing

generally, the writing needs some work For example: The French Grand Quartier Général assumed German forces were still proceeding to the north-west at some two to three days march from the 3rd Colonial Division. This was in spite of intelligence garnered by French Fourth Army cavalry and aerial reconnaissance units showing a strong German force in the Neufchâteau area with no evidence of westward movement on 21 August Despite intelligence gathered by the FFA cav and aerial recon units... Or some kind of tweaking....It's awkward and repetitive.
needs conversion templates added.
missing LOTS of commas that would help readability.

Links

redlinks on commanders should at least have the man's full name, so that when an article is written, it links automatically.
links to places like Jamoige-- where is it? If we cannot link to it, at least we should have a sense of where in Belgium it is located.

Do you want to take a go at these auntieruth (talk) 16:18, 5 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No problem Ruth, thanks for starting your review. I tend to be a little busy in the week but I'll try and do what I can with a view to making more major edits at the weekend. Cheers - Dumelow (talk) 19:45, 5 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

no hurry! I'll be here to finish it whenever. My life gets a bit complicated next week, but I'll make this a priority. When you've made some pass throughs, let me know and I'll come back to it. auntieruth (talk) 15:25, 6 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like the above is addressed, so can the review now be continued? Wizardman 05:26, 7 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, still working through with a bit of a polish on the prose. I have had next to no time available for wikipedia recently though. I am committed to finishing my copyediting soon, but if anyone has any objections I don't mind if the review is closed and reopened later - Dumelow (talk) 18:45, 8 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Review Closing Notice

To all involved, with no progress being made in over a month, I will be closing the review in 48 hours if no progress is made.--Dom497 (talk) 20:39, 14 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, please go for it. I am really struggling to find time for WP at the moment and I can't see me getting around to this - Dumelow (talk) 17:06, 18 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

CE

Did a cheeky little ce and tidied up various typos, duplicated wikilinks and added missing details to the bibliography. Changed times from 7am to 7 a.m. then realised that every word with a followed by m had changed as well; hope I've found all of them and repaired. Keith-264 (talk) 11:35, 15 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]