Talk:Battle of al-Hasakah (2015)

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Intermediate outcomes as part of result[edit]

I removed intermediate outcomes from final result.

Discussion on what to include/WP:Requests for comment here: Talk:Battle_of_Sarrin_(June–July_2015)#rfc_BCC86E4

For archive, intermediate results below

  • ISIL initially captures four districts and areas in three others,[1][2] as well as multiple villages southwest of Al-Hasakah[3]
  • The Syrian Army recaptures two districts[1][4] and re-secures two other[5][6][7]
  • The YPG recaptures two districts[8][9] and all areas southwest of Al-Hasakah[6][10][7]
  • The YPG is left in control of 70% of the city, while the Syrian Army controls 30%[11]

I think that the results were fine the way they were, as most of the battle articles list them, and since the ones listed here weren't that lengthy. Also, most of those listed does have something to do with the final result. LightandDark2000 (talk) 16:48, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@LightandDark2000: Keep in mind new comers to page need to understand at a glance final outcome, maybe second listed outcome should be first.... 495656778774 (talk) 16:55, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That may be, but this doesn't apply to all readers. And by that same token, won't most of those readers wishing only to scan the article want at least a little bit more in in infobox? Nearly everything originally listed in the results section was directly linked to the final result (since most of the chunks detail exactly what the Syrian Army and YPG captured, and so are not really "intermediate" results), save for the part detailing the ISIL advance, but that chunk itself tells the readers just how far ISIL got before their gains were reversed. LightandDark2000 (talk) 16:58, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ a b edward. "The regime forces fail to retake areas of the city of Al-Hasakah in spite of the dozens airstrikes and large reinforcements". Syrian Observatory For Human Rights. Retrieved 14 July 2015.
  2. ^ Cite error: The named reference newISILgains was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  3. ^ Cite error: The named reference ISIL advances was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  4. ^ Master. "The regime forces seize the neighborhood of al- Zohour and confines IS militants to the southern entrance of the city of al- Hasakah". Syrian Observatory For Human Rights. Retrieved 28 July 2015.
  5. ^ Leith Fadel. "Al-Liliyah Quarter of Al-Hasakah Back Under the Control of the Syrian Armed Forces". Al-Masdar News. Retrieved 29 July 2015.
  6. ^ a b Cite error: The named reference daesh was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  7. ^ a b Cite error: The named reference defeated was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  8. ^ Cite error: The named reference liberation was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  9. ^ Cite error: The named reference lieutenantcolonel was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  10. ^ Cite error: The named reference Hasakah city battle maps was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  11. ^ "Report: ISIS Ousted From Syrian City of Hasakah". Newsweek. 30 July 2015. Retrieved 3 August 2015.

The City[edit]

@EkoGraf: The city was cleaned by the YPG and al-Sanadid, not by the Syrian army. All sources only mention the YPG and al-Sanadid, not the SAA at all. You need to add sources for your claim. 86.50.110.79 (talk) 21:38, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

First, here are your sources [1][2][3][4], quote The regime forces and YPG retake the city of al- Hasakah; Syria regime, Kurds push ISIS from Hasakah; Syria Army, Kurds Push Islamic State Out of Hasakeh City: Report; etc. Second, two of the three sources previously cited were the Kurds themselves (anti-Assad) saying the Kurds cleared it and Syrian state tv (pro-Assad) saying the Army cleared it. Basically, there are no neutral sources stating who really was the victor and both sides claiming they cleared ISIL. Choosing one over the other and saying the other combatants gains were partial is not neutral. Per WP policy on neutrality, plus taking into account the other sources that the SAA and YPG both pushed them out, proper neutral course of action would be to state it was a victory for them both. So please refrain from emphasising the alleged full victory of one over the other. Thanks. EkoGraf (talk) 23:10, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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