Talk:Battle of the Defile

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Good article Battle of the Defile has been listed as one of the Warfare good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Article milestones
Date Process Result
February 25, 2012 Good article nominee Listed
December 25, 2012 WikiProject A-class review Approved
Current status: Good article

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Battle of the Defile/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Wilhelmina Will (talk · contribs) 11:41, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

  • Well written:
  • The article is well-written, aside from a few minor grammatical errors which I corrected, and decently wikified, with an informative introduction. There are no problems with list formats, as no list other than the references has been included in the article. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 07:40, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
(a) the prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct; and
(b) it complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.
  • Verifiable with no original research:
  • Article cites four reputable, published sources, frequently and thoroughly in all of its body sections. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 07:37, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
(a) it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline;
(b) all in-line citations are from reliable sources, including those for direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons—science-based articles should follow the scientific citation guidelines; and
(c) it contains no original research.
  • Broad in its coverage:
  • This battle-article covers all main aspects of its subject; the background, the battle itself, and the aftermath. I did not see any trivia included in any of these sections; all the information presented is noteworthy. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 07:36, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

(a) it addresses the main aspects of the topic; and

(b) it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
  • Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
  • No biased content displayed in this article. I'd even go so far as to say it portrays superb neutrality on this subject. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 07:32, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
  • Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
  • Roughly 85% of the changes made to this article at the time of this evaluation (including the creation of the article), have been made by one editor, over a course of roughly 1 and 3/4 years, and no evidence has been given that any of the remaining 15% of contributions have been made in conflict with the main editor's or each other's contributions. In short, it doesn't look like anyone's been edit-warring on this article. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 06:05, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
  • Illustrated, if possible, by images:
  • There is only one image currently used in the article, and it is suitably captioned for its use in the article's infobox. The image is created by the primary contributor to the article; issued under a valid free license. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 06:08, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
(a) images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content; and
(b) images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.

Article is GA-worthy. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 07:40, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Arabic name of the battle[edit]

This is a rather minor point, but the Arabic name given in the lead is currently "Battle of the Defile" (Arabic: وقعة الشعب‎‎ Waqʿat al-Shʿib). Al-Tabari does indeed use this name twice in his description of the battle (History, v. 25: pp. 71, 89); however, he far more frequently refers to it as the "Day of the Defile" (Arabic: يوم الشعب‎‎ Yawm al-Shʿib) (History, v. 25: pp. 75, 83, 84, 89, 90, 93). I quickly checked a few other primary sources; Khalifah ibn Khayyat (Tarikh 1985, p. 344) provides a description of the battle but gives no name for it; al-Baladhuri (Origins, v. 2: p. 201) makes only an indirect reference to it, and al-Ya'qubi (Tarikh, Buldan) seems to ignore it altogether. Unless Ibn A'tham uses a different name for the battle, I think that Yawm al-Shʿib should at least make an appearance in the article somewhere. Ro4444 (talk) 02:59, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Well, IIRC, in Arabic usage, "Day of X" is fully equivalent to "Battle of X", so there's not that much difference: it does not affect the English na,e since the English-language bibliography uses "Battle" throughout. Feel free to add the Arabic name next to the one already existing in the lead, though. Constantine 18:09, 14 December 2012 (UTC)