Talk:Bayan (accordion)

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Right hand keyboard[edit]

Why isn't the right hand keyboard mentioned? It has buttons, different from a piano accordion, correct? If so, this needs to be described. Badagnani (talk) 23:55, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Photo is wrong[edit]

That's not a Bayan in the image, it's a C-system accordion. The configuration of black and white keys is reversed for a Bayan. ScallopMonger (talk) 19:58, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Question about register[edit]

"Newer instruments may feature a register, where every tone played actually produces a perfect fifth."

Are you sure this is correct? I have seen instruments that have a register which adds a reed which is one octave plus a perfect fifth, not a perfect fifth. I have seen this also on piano-accordions. Stanley Darrow has one like this. It is a piccolo reed which is a perfect fifth. That means it sounds and octave and perfect fifth higher. Henrydoktorski (talk) 23:56, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Firstly, such a statement will benefit the article gaining an increased rating if it has some verification - even a list of models that have this feature. This 'fifth' stop is quite a common thing on 'pipe organs' and electric/electronic equivalents. I seem to recall that certain boxes have this 'fifth' - the old 'Windjammers' and what about 'Cajuns'...

FoolesTroupe (talk) 04:30, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Merge into chromatic button accordion?[edit]

Would people mind? I believe a single article being well-expanded on both the area of chromatic button accordions in general with sections specifying the differences between regular ones and this Russian variant, and its history, would be far superior to having them divided.

After all, the Bayan is a chromatic button accordion.

  • Chromatic Button Accordion
    • Regular ones
    • The Bayan

Should be in one article. =D Necz0r (talk) 14:10, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Necz0r. Henry Doktorski (talk) 14:36, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
I don‘t agree, for have you ever tried to explain a Russian, that he‘s playing an accordion? He wouldn‘t agree at all, because the sound is too different for him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.181.42.52 (talk) 09:56, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Basically, some of the identical content could be merged, but is a Bayan subset of a CBA, a BA, or what? "the sound is too different for him" - well that really isn't helpful, because a Cajun is different again...

Btw, it would really be far more helpful if everyone helping out on this set of articles could please have a login handle. FoolesTroupe (talk) 04:23, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

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Different kinds of bayans[edit]

While looking through various sites where bayans are commonly sold (for example, Aukro.ua, Bayan.ru, Slando.ua), I came across a very wide variety of models, none of which are described in the article. For one thing, the range of notes on the right keyboard can vary greatly, from about two octaves in the kids' or mini models, gradually increasing in size to about 8 (with the register switches) on the high-end Jupiter model pictured at the top of the article. Soviet-made non-professional models have just 3 rows on the right instead of 5, and some (like this Rossiya model) have 4.

As for the left side, the kids' models may have just 2 rows without all the black-key chords (like this bayan "Malysh"), 3 (like this 1960 Kremennoe model, whose 3 rows duplicate the 2nd-to-4th rows of the stradella system), or even a fully chromatic 5 (like this other Kremennoye bayan model, which also has a slightly wider range in the right hand). Many regular bayan models also have just 5 rows on the left, omitting the diminished 7th row (for example this Rubin model, though unlike most regular bayans it has a converter bass).

Speaking of converter bass... In Russian bayans there is a distinction between entirely free bass systems (выборный), entirely stradella-like systems (готовый) and bayans where you can switch between the two (готово-выборный), which seems to be called "converter bass" in English. The first weren't as common and seem to have mostly been used for kids in music schools, for example this "Yunost" model, the second type were very common and were the standard kind that people played, the third type are the rule in high-end professional models, though some more amateur models have the switch as well (like the Rubins, Start, Tula-201, Kirovskiy).

There is also a category of electro-bayans. The first seems to have been the Electrobayan "Topaz" in the Soviet era, as seen in this commercial from the time. It's unusual because it's a stiff instrument - in newer models, you can move the bellows in and out as usual, with the movement interpreted as volume by the MIDI (well, I assume, I don't actually own one...) - the bayan can play both without an amplifier, and with an amplifier, or even in combination. The most fancy example I've seen is this modified cavagnolo called the "Sunyaykin model" after the performer who had it custom-made: video.

Also, some models called "orchestra" bayans (оркестровый) have no keys on the left side to make them lighter; these are used in folk orchestras, and are in different ranges like the voice. Here's a "bass baritone" model: [1]. They come in the following sizes, as described on this page: piccolo, alto, prima, tenor, bass, contrapass)

Esn (talk) 08:33, 10 June 2012 (UTC)