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Grammar[edit]

Part of the article reads as follows:

This reorganization permitted the establishment of a commanding officer vice a flight leader, added support officers, and further redefined the squadron's mission emphasizing the support of recruiting efforts.

What the heck does 'vice a flight leader' mean? If i even knew what it was supposed to mean, I would make an edit myself, but i'm lost. --Measure 21:36, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

I'm not an expert on the Blue Angels per se, but I do know that in the U.S. Navy, the command structure generally consists of a Commanding Officer who in the Blue Angels is also known as the Squadron Leader or "Boss." I think the editor was attempting to say that the team has a Commanding Officer "INSTEAD OF" (vice or versus) a flight leader. Pihanki 22:27, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

"Vice" is navy talk for "instead of." The only people I've ever known who use the expression are current and former naval officers. 165.91.64.194 (talk) 15:06, 18 April 2009 (UTC)RKH

"Vice" is used by more than "current and former naval officers". vice prep instead of; as a substitute for [from Latin, ablative of vicis change]

Expand your vocabulary vice insisting that nobody uses the word except current and former naval officers.

See also vice president, viceroy, vicar...

F/A-18E Super Hornet[edit]

Sometime in the 90s the Blue Angels transitioned to the Charlie version of the F/A-18 Hornet. The Demonstrators section is outdated. In either 2004 or 2005 they transitioned to the F/A-18E Super Hornet. --ProdigySportsman 21:08, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

  • They may use a couple Super Hornets, but most are Hornets. See Blue Angels FAQ. -Fnlayson 21:18, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Their FAQ page only lists A & B models. The Hornet that crashed in the April accident was an A model. :( If you have another source, please post it. -Fnlayson 21:38, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
  • The blues do not use the F/A-18E. Note the differnce in intakes; the angular one is the defining feature for the echo form.

F/A-18A-C: http://johncarmichaels.typepad.com/carmichaels_position/images/blue_angel.JPG F/A-18E: http://www.sci.fi/~fta/vfa9l.jpg AMStecker 00:34, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Show routine section[edit]

While the "show routine" section is interesting, I can't help but note that earlier in the article it said that the weather (and venue, I suppose) depends on which routine is used – a "high" show during clear or almost-clear conditions (a couple cirrus clouds wouldn't make a difference) as opposed to a "low" or "flat" show. It's safe to assume the routine in the "Show Routine" section is a high show. How does it differ from a "low" or "flat" show? And for that matter, how about someone add a description to each maneuver? In the context of this article, what precisely is a "Fleur de Lis"? How about a "Diamond Dirty Eight"? And given that the routine is completely different in 2008 as opposed to this 2007 routine, maybe that whole section doesn't belong. Thoughts? —MicahBrwn (talk) 22:00, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

A video I have says they have high, medium and low versions of their show. The lower ones leave out loops and climbs. I doubt the video would count as a reliable source though. That basic is about all I tell you. -Fnlayson (talk) 22:16, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

In this section, they list "maximum" ceilings for the low and flat shows. I'm almost positive the term that's needed here is "minimum" ceilings. Note the "at least" (i.e., "minimum") qualifier for the high show. There really wouldn't be a "maximum" ceiling for ANY show routine, other than "low enough to be seen." (not logged in) Jororo05199.248.185.22 (talk) 15:44, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Show schedule section added to the article[edit]

I read the Air Force Thunderbirds ariticle, and enjoyed it very much, I felt that the show schedulde listed there would be just as helpful to the average Wiki reader so I've just updated it with the 2009 show schedule from the official website. This section can continue to be updated from year to year.

NOTE: If someone has the time to do the research on this, I've put in some of the locations actual city names, when it's possible that they should be NAS bases? I'm not positive on this, but would appreciate any help here if someone doesn't mind looking that up and updating the article for everyone else. In most occasions I believe that the airshows are from air bases, being either Airforce or Navy or whatever. Thanks Zul32 (talk) 16:37, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

First military aerial demonstration team?[edit]

Does anyone have a source that the Blue Angels were the first? I am currently doing research on Vice Adm. Frederick Trapnell a top naval test pilot who, in 1930 along with two others, was assigned to a newly-created team called the "Three Flying Fish" at NAS Anacostia (Flight Test Section) in DC. Flying the new Curtiss F6C-4's, they toured the country for the Navy performing aerial demonstrations.The Original Historygeek (talk) 00:04, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

With no other comments immediately forthcoming, I have adjusted the article, removing the claim in question unless a citation can be found (which I am looking for- so far I have found citations for the above named team being the first).The Original Historygeek (talk) 23:48, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Removal of the "May 2011 Incident and subsequent stand-down"[edit]

Wchamilton (talk) 19:43, 26 May 2011 (UTC) I wrote the above mentioned section and I see it was removed with "ah, article uses US date (MDY) format elsewhere" as the reason, and I'm not sure what that means... can someone clarify this for me, please? I don't want to redo it and find it removed again, since I spent a fair amount of time on this today.

No, you started the section and it has not been removed. Check the article.. -Fnlayson (talk) 19:49, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
I see it there... sorry for jumping the gun. :)

26 May, 2011 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wchamilton (talkcontribs) 19:57, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Formal designation and hierarchy[edit]

Given that the Blue Angels acts and functions as a unit, wouldn't it stand to reason that they have some kind of official designation, like the "61st Air Public Relations Squadron" or something similar? I see no mention of anything like it in the text. I realize that they are an "Aeorbatic Exhibtion Team" (or whatever it was called, I can't see it right now), but if personnel (pilots, flight surgeons, mechanics, etc) get assigned from other units surely the must be assigned TO something other than a "team"? Or do everyone remain at their units and are simply "on loan" to the Blue Angels? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.191.117.192 (talk) 19:17, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Not notable but ...[edit]

Was taken aback by this [1] - but noted the date! Springnuts (talk) 07:58, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Nice find! We'll be deleting that one from articles for years! - BilCat (talk) 08:40, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
- A good April Fool's day thing. :) -Fnlayson (talk) 13:21, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

References

Yes it is. There is one aviation-related AprilFools joke that shows up in articles every once in a while, but I can't remember which one it was. Not to be confused with outright hoaxes such as the 797 BWB hoax that shows up every so often. - BilCat (talk) 21:59, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

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Removing deceased team members[edit]

The edit of 00:03, 3 June 2016‎ 68.113.16.30 completely deleted position 6 from from the list of members. Is it normal protocol? As a relative of Jeff, I came here after getting the news and was a bit shocked that he'd been erased. As of this time, the official Blue Angels site ( https://www.blueangels.navy.mil/team/officers.aspx ) still lists him as opposing solo. (And if it was another relative who removed him from the list out of grief and a desire for a form of privacy, then I apologize for writing this.)

USMC as branch[edit]

Propose removing USMC as a branch, as although they are attached, the squadron belongs to the Navy under Naval Air Training Command 65.152.162.3 (talk) 20:31, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

I agree, its operated and owned by the Navy, not the Marine Corps - even though they have personnel attached. 140.32.16.51 (talk) 22:16, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
I'm in full agreement with you guys. Garuda28 (talk) 20:00, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

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