Talk:Breyer State University

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More State Actions on Diploma Mills[edit]

In addition to the Alabama actions on diploma mills, New Jersey has also been active, sending cease and desist orders to Breyer State "degree" holders.

www.nj.com/news/ledger/jersey/index.ssf?...

9/4/2008 Three Freehold Regional school administrators who gained advanced degrees from a suspected "diploma mill" were ordered by the state yesterday to remove the degrees from their titles, while the state also alerted all districts to the laws against using such institutions. The state Commission on Higher Education sent the "cease-and-desist" letters to Freehold Superintendent James Wasser and two of his assistants who had gained doctorates from Breyer State University, an online program that had at least twice lost its certification.

Captinron (talk) 21:37, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

NOt sure where to fit in the details of this diploma mill that was selling degrees soley for "experience" or "monetary donations", but here is the letter that Alabama sent them for an eviction notice.

7/14/2008 - No more diploma mills: Chancellor Bradley Byrne announces new initiatives to shut down sham schools, better regulate other for-profits

MONTGOMERY – Alabama has a reputation as a good place to do business, but there’s one industry that is no longer welcome: diploma mills.

In a news conference Monday, Alabama Community College System Chancellor Bradley Byrne announced an aggressive new initiative to shut down fraudulent for-profit colleges and better regulate the legitimate ones.

“Fraudulent institutions do not belong in this state – period,”

While many of the institutions closed for legitimate reasons, some – notably Columbus University and Breyer State University – were operating apparent diploma mills and taking shameful advantage of hundreds of unsuspecting students.

Breyer State University was issued a license to operate in the state in October 2004, and was non-renewed this June. One of the institution’s many violations included conferring honorary doctorates on individuals based on life and work experience, a one-time application fee and a monetary contribution to the institution. In addition, the institution offers an unheard of self-design degree program which allows the creation of a curriculum based on mentoring.

Breyer State, according to its website, offers 74 associate’s, bachelor’s, master’s, and doctoral degree programs. Breyer State claimed to have 120 faculty members holding bachelor’s, graduate and post-graduate degrees, however, it was discovered that many of the faculty’s degrees did not come from accredited institutions.

Since losing its license to operate in Alabama, Breyer State moved to Idaho.


Captinron (talk) 18:48, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi Captinron, a number of months ago I added the delightful quote in the article that you copied above. It's also already reported that BSU has apparently moved to Idaho. So what changes are you proposing to the article? Regards, TallMagic (talk) 02:20, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, don't pop in enough to stay current. Let me look. After they were booted from Alabama, I believe they did stop in Idaho for a few weeks, were rejected there, and then moved again to California. I'll source it.

Captinron (talk) 14:36, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Here it is. http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2008/08/19/california

Captinron (talk) 14:43, 6 March 2009 (UTC)


EAA[edit]

Hello, you reverted a recent edit of mine, here. Can you please tell me what constitutes "appropriate recognition or authorization to grant an accreditation?" Or in other words, what source makes that statement for us? As Wikipedians in compliance with the WP:NPOV policy, we can't be making statements like that on our own authority. I'm asking the same question of the original author of that edit here BECritical__Talk 23:16, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Becritical, I copied your message here from my talk page because I think it is a more general discussion about this article rather than a discussion about either one of us. The answer to your question is CHEA and/or the US department of education. Zugman (talk) 00:13, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Oh, well in that case re-stating that these institutions haven't given their commendation is redundant. However, what the edit says is that it lacks appropriate recognition or authorization. You need a source for saying that. And re this edit, the page states "Since the mission and goal of EAA is to provide international/transnational recognition for its accredited institutions, EAA requires accredited institutions to comply with the UNESCO-CEPES standards and requirements for accredited institutions," so I think the assertion that "EAA does not claim to have appropriate recognition or authorization to grant an accreditation" is incorrect. BECritical__Talk 00:49, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
The statement may or may not be correct. I don't know what EAA is claiming. If you you'd like to see a better source for the statement "EAA doesn't have appropriate recognition to accredit academic institutions" then how about http://www.osac.state.or.us/oda/accreditation.html ? Zugman (talk) 01:08, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
I see what you mean, but there's a difference between recognized as legit and lacking appropriate recognition. Who's saying what's "appropriate?" Wikipedia? And there isn't anyone who gives permission to grant accreditation- else they'd be in trouble for naming themselves accreditors. Anyway, it still very much seems like Wikipedia speaking, not the sources. Summary: we have sources saying what is legit, not what is not legit. BECritical__Talk 02:19, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
I don't understand what you mean. Did you look at the the ODA website that I pointed at? It explicitly says, "These bodies are not approved by the U.S. Department of Education and therefore any so-called “accreditation” by these bodies is meaningless in Oregon and in some other states." It also uses the word unrecognized. It is saying that EAA is not legit. Isn't it? Zugman (talk) 02:26, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Um, well let me first say that I don't think EAA is legit. However to answer your question: no, that's not what it's saying. It's saying only that EAA "does not meet legal requirements." That doesn't mean it's not legit. It doesn't even mean that it "lacks appropriate recognition or authorization to grant an accreditation." It just means that it's not state recognized, period, without any opprobrium or statement about appropriateness. The word "legitimate" in this case is about whether the listed institutions are recognized legally. As far as accreditation being "meaningless," that again is legal, as meaning is individually assigned. So yes, it's saying that EAA is not a legitimate legally recognized accrediting agency, but not making statements about what is generally appropriate etc. To give an example, you can have a real puppy who doesn't have a pedigree, and which isn't a legitimate pedigreed puppy. It may nevertheless be purebred, and you can't say it lacks the appropriate genes because it doesn't have a pedigree. All this not to advocate for EAA. BECritical__Talk 03:04, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
I would simply say "The institution is accredited by Educational Accreditation Association (EAA),[1] an accrediting institution which is not recognized by The U.S. Department of Education." BECritical__Talk 03:09, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
The word "appropriate" appears to have come from the lead section of List of unrecognized higher education accreditation organizations. That article never explicitly defines what "appropriate" means, but it talks about the differing legal requirements and terminology around the world. In some national and subnational jurisdictions, a government agency is the only entities that can certify the acceptability of educational institutions. In some other countries (notably including the U.S., but not just the U.S.), there are multiple public, private, or quasi-public organizations performing this function, and there is some form of government overseer that has "blessed" certain accreditors as valid. Some jurisdictions don't have any mechanism for validation of higher education (for example, because they are too small or too poor to have any higher education institutions). The entities on List of unrecognized higher education accreditation organizations are reliably identified as lacking any identifiable recognition or authorization from any entity reliably indicated to have relevant jurisdiction. The statement that an entity lacks "appropriate" recognition may mean that the entity itself acknowledges that it lacks recognition from any government authority, or that the entity claims recognition from an entity that isn't in the business of providing such recognition (for example, UNESCO or a chamber of commerce), or that the entity claims recognition from an entity that might possibly be in the business of providing recognition but obviously lacks jurisdiction (for example, an entity that accredits schools in the United Kingdom under authorization granted to it by the government of Lesotho). --Orlady (talk) 06:58, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Wow, thanks for the great explanation (: If I remember right they are recognized in some other countries, so maybe we should clarify that it lacks recognition in the U.S. In that instance, I would not object to the word "appropriate," because it would obviously be referring to official institutions in the U.S. not to some abstract notion of appropriateness made up by Wikipedia authors. BECritical__Talk 20:10, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
The EAA does say that it is recognized in some countries, but their website doesn't bother to identify those countries, which makes their claim non-credible. Anyway, an accreditor that is (like EAA) located in the United States and that accredits U.S. institutions should have U.S. recognition. Similarly, an entity that accredits UK institutions should have UK accreditation. The EAA website lists accredited institutions in both countries (US list, UK list), so it should be recognized in both if it is a valid accreditor in both. The EAA website says that EAA is recognized by "The Network of Oxford Institutions" and "The Russian International Academy'; since I can't find evidence that either of these entities exists (much less is an entity with jurisdiction to recognize accreditors), that does not convince me of anything. Additionally, it says that EAA is recognized by "Numerous International and State Ministries/Departments of Education," but that vague statement is completely lacking in credibility. Not only that, but all of these statements are the EAA's own claims -- no third-party reliable source backs any of this. --Orlady (talk) 06:25, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Time to drop the "application status"[edit]

"According to its website, as of August 2010 Breyer State University had applied to the California Bureau for Private Postsecondary Education for approval to operate in California.[7] "

Isn't it time to drop this from the main article? The Bureau has been through many many cycles of approving schools since August 2010, and its no surprise that they have not been approved. The only evidence that they even applied is from their own website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Captinron (talkcontribs) 20:12, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

What you say makes sense to me. I have removed it from the article. —David Eppstein (talk) 20:17, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Registration for Application Approved[edit]

Following a long wait period of two years in California, the Breyer State University filed an application in the Republic of Panama, and has since been approved.[2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scriptedforedit (talkcontribs) 15:43, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

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