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Got this article made. I think I was vaguely skimpy on the details of the "gender confusion" bit, so if anyone dares to delve into that ... ;) Yar Kramer 08:21, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
- Hahaha nice, I liked that little barb about all those people who can't get the facts straight. -RTL 16 May 2005 (GMT)
- Yeah, I found a web page once listing a buncha different characters from various video games who were gender-confusing (it included Bridget and Justice), and there was a friend of the author who was prone to saying "NO! Bridget's a girl! LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!"
- Furthermore, I'm fond of recounting to people who don't know about Guilty Gear that "in GameSpy's 'Top 10 hottest video game chicks' survey, Bridget came in 17th, despite the fact that technically, he doesn't qualify." :D Yar Kramer 16:17, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
- Everybody's gay for Bridget! But really, among erotic manga and art fans Bridget has been called "The Yaoi Gateway Drug" since works involving him has caused otherwise heterosexual male fans interested in yaoi. Also, there's the fact that since he just doesn't fit in other categories of erotica, material involving him has been placed in it's own unique category. Hell, on the Burichan imageboard, there is an entire sub-board dedicated to him. --Paul Soth 00:38, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
- XD XD XD
- Actually, I'm pretty sure BuriChan was created specifically for Bridget (hence the name). But 5chan also had a Bridget board of its own, yeah. Yar Kramer 05:21, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
- Everybody's gay for Bridget! But really, among erotic manga and art fans Bridget has been called "The Yaoi Gateway Drug" since works involving him has caused otherwise heterosexual male fans interested in yaoi. Also, there's the fact that since he just doesn't fit in other categories of erotica, material involving him has been placed in it's own unique category. Hell, on the Burichan imageboard, there is an entire sub-board dedicated to him. --Paul Soth 00:38, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
My understanding was that Bridget had a sister who was prophesized to be powerful, and the world could not know that she had a twin brother, thus he was dressed up to hide this. The reason he's out hunting bounties is to prove to his parents that he is a worthwhile child as well.
- Um, no, everywhere I've looked says the same as it says here: Bridget has an identical twin brother, and the reason for his disguise as a girl is that twin boys is bad luck. I've never heard anything about a "sister prophesized to be powerful", where'd you hear that? --Yar Kramer 17:36, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
- Yeah. Yar's right on this one. That's what it says in every official source, and if I'm not mistaken, the beginning text of his story mode. Digital Watches 13:38, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
Just wondering
This wiki says that in all three endings, Bridget joins the Jellyfish Pirates. I don't recall ever reading something like this in his scenario. Does anyone have evidence for this? Thank you in advance. :-) Edit: I vaguely remember when Dizzy gave him a pirate hat, but I don't remember anyone asking him to join them.
- I don't think it's in all three endings, but yeah, come to think of it, I don't think it's particularly accurate. --Yar Kramer 02:50, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Bridget and That Man
I heard a rumor recently that Bridget has the essence of Ano Otoko inside him (or something to that effect). Any evidence in-game to back that up? The S
- None whatsoever. I know Axl has some kinda "parallel existence" with Raven, but, nothing on Bridget. --Yar Kramer 02:40, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
Roger
I was wondering if there was anything to back up roger being a robot? If not wouldent that be speculation?--Lucky hat 03:00, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Original gender
I was told somewhere (on the internet) that Bridget was in fact a girl named Yo-yo in an early pre-release version of the game who had the same voice and character design, but the sex was changed to male to make the story surrounding the character more interesting Can anyone shed some light on this? --Burbster 02:11, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
- I never heard of this, and I was into Guilty Gear back when X was out. Sounds like your friend is making stuff up. Danny Lilithborne 02:20, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
- Hahaha, wasn't a friend, just something on a video game forum. I doubted it myself. Burbster 18:51, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
- I'd give them the benafit of the doubt and make a snide comment about Lilith, who has the same VA as Bridget, but I don't think there is much doubt. --Yar Kramer 04:07, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
- Actually, according to the interview with Daisuke Ishiwatari in the Guilty Gear XX artbook, the rumor checks out:
- I'd give them the benafit of the doubt and make a snide comment about Lilith, who has the same VA as Bridget, but I don't think there is much doubt. --Yar Kramer 04:07, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
- Hahaha, wasn't a friend, just something on a video game forum. I doubted it myself. Burbster 18:51, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
- (27)---The character Bridget, introduced in "Guilty Gear XX," looks like a girl but is actually a boy, right? What was your intention in deciding on creating this kind of character?
- Ishiwatari: The creation of Bridget as a boy happened at the very last second; during development I was drawing him as purely a girl. It's just that when there is a need to give a worldly backbone (to the game), in order for me to try to not forget each character, and in order to revive the character, I give them my very heart. As a result, the creation of Bridget as actually a boy instead of a girl was because I thought he could become my alter ego. Well, if there was a need for it the reverse-- a girl that looks like a boy-- that would be okay too, but it doesn't look pretty game-wise. It's also somewhat calculated (laughs)...
- The full interview can be found here: [1]68.100.222.184 08:18, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Ky's "bag of money"
Didn't Ky give Bridget a list of bounties that did exist for him to go and catch? This would make sense, as he could clearly see that Bridget was strong enough to capture people like Millia and Baiken. It would seem silly for Ky to just hand him a sack of cash, even if he is a real nice guy. (And besides, what good are Euros in England? Unless GGXX is foreshadowing a future where the UK accepts the Euro... eep! NB: I'm just kidding about that last part.)
- No, the actual list was given to him (and Jam) by I-No. —Yar Kramer 00:43, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
- I know, but what I meant was, didn't Ky give Bridget a genuine list? Again, I just find that more realistic.
- Yes, at the end of Bridget's story, he did.--68.100.222.184 08:20, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
- I know, but what I meant was, didn't Ky give Bridget a genuine list? Again, I just find that more realistic.
Trivia
Recently I added a trivia about the connection between Bridget Verdant of Mew Mew power and Bridget's Verdant named stage. Can I ask, why it has been deleted? Eddie303 22:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
- Because it's a coincidence. JuJube 23:08, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Music Reference?
The opening bars of "Simple Life" are nearly identical in all but tempo to the opening of Early Man's "War Eagle," which was released in 2005 (i.e. well after GGXX). Is this just a coincidence, were they both inspired by an earlier song, or might Early Man have decided to give the game a nod, for whatever reason? 70.110.247.129 06:04, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
- "Simple Life" always reminded me of Journey, but none of this can be anything more than speculation for now. JuJube 03:59, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Pronouns
There seemed to be alot of swapping between he and she and his and hers during this article. I have changed all of the pronouns to their masculine form.Catldr24 03:25, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
Oh, actually, the majority were kinda done by me but errors I did he fixed. Thansk mate MightyKombat 04:20, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
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Notability
I think there's very little doubt about the notability of this article (although no other Guilty Gear character would merit a full article). Unfortunately, this is a cultural literacy issue -- "like Bridget from Guilty Gear" is used as a constant euphemism for this type of person or character in many geek communities. More mention of cultural significance, perhaps backed up by a few examples of allusions in geek-culture magazine articles, could back up notability and indicate why exactly people would be searching Wikipedia for information about him/her. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yunatwilight (talk • contribs) 12:22, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
No Mention of Imageboard relevence?
Given that the Bridget meme thing is probably the #1 reason people look at this article, I think it's strange that there isn't any mention of it. --Lollerkeet 10:16, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
- That doesn't matter. We don't have articles about Sol Badguy because of some stupid homophobic meme. JuJube 10:24, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
- Don't you think it's assuming bad faith to say it's homophobic? I think "everyone's gay for bridget" is pretty funny. --Kinst (talk) 23:54, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
- WP:AGF applies to editors, not content. JuJube (talk) 06:03, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
- Don't you think it's assuming bad faith to say it's homophobic? I think "everyone's gay for bridget" is pretty funny. --Kinst (talk) 23:54, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
The lack of any "gay for bridget" mention is still a notable omission of this article. The silence is deafening, and must be rectified Roidroid (talk) 15:53, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
Should this get merged?
It's kinda been bugging me as something that might get the axe...the sole discussion about the character is the fact that he's a crossdresser. But the problem is there isn't so much discussion as there is resources stating it as a fact. A list entry might be a better idea until something significant exploring the character is introduced. Thoughts?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 17:25, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
- k, nevermind that then.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 23:02, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
GA Review
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Reviewer: DarthBotto (talk · contribs) 01:07, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
Intro
- Both paragraphs are well-written, provides an adequate degree of synopsis and essentially covers enough bases. I would say this portion is overall secure.
Concept and design
- At first glance, the details of this portion are scarce. Further information on concept and design should be provided to the extent that at least one more paragraph of equal length is provided.
- "The series' creator also said that Bridget was a difficult character to animate..." Beginning with this sentence, the other paragraph should open up, or at least this portion should be a feature of the new paragraph about the intricacies of the character.
- There are two references touching each other, one from Neoseeker, the other from the University of California. Considering it's an individual quote, but there are more details preceding this, it would be advisable to spread the references out.
Appearances
- Remember to use the present tense while discussing the actions of a character.
- There are three references slicing into one sentence about Bridget's backstory. I would remove most of them, as they are not substantive in this particular context.
- The Destructoid reference is operating as a hindrance, as it's being /ref'd like hell, but it doesn't have any other references in between, so this is unnecessary. This should be cleaned up.
- The synopsis for the second game is rather scant. I'm not an expert on the series, (which is probably why this review is all the more valuable), but perhaps a slight expansion would be prudent?
- The final paragraph is rather sound. Mind you, I don't speak Japanese, but so far as the English content is concerned, I am rather satisfied.
Reception
- This section jumps right into it, which I wouldn't recommend. I would open with a broad statement about Bridget's overall impact and go from there.
- This section seems rather disproportionately massive. I would remove the more vapid or less poignant details, in order to leave the overarching theme more pronounced and intact.
- While mentioning the LGBT articles, I would dissuade editors from having four references in a row.
- Ensure that the organization of this section is pronounced. Look to have the input of the critics organized via positives, negatives and thematic commentary, such as the question of his sexuality.
Closing thoughts
- Considering that this page has never been rated before, I am pleased with the quality of the article. Before I may grant GA status, please attend to the notes above, as well as my closing thoughts.
- I would recommend writing a new section for "Attributes", which would describe the personality, life style and essence of the character. Yes, they appear to be androgynous and metro-sexual, but I am sure there is more to the character. This proposed section would be placed beneath Design and above Appearances.
Verdict - Due to a complete lack of inactivity after a week's notice, I am failing this review. DARTHBOTTO talk•cont 01:00, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
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something's not right
ok I never played the game but how is Bridget a LGBT video game character. at first I thought he was a lesbian but I learned that he was a boy. so isn't he more of a cross-dresser because he not gay or bi and he can't be a lesbian or a transexual. well what are your thoughts 67.164.35.55 03:21, 24 April 2007 (UTC) JoJo
- The category is false and was removed. My apologies for missing it. :/ Bridget's not a transgender because he identifies as a boy. Sounds like more of the "work" from those "Everyone's gay for Bridget" morons. JuJube 03:26, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Just as a note, transvestism/cross-dressing is part of the LGBT Studies project, so the article is within their scope. It's just the "transgendered" category that's wrong.ShaleZero 12:49, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Bridget is assigned female at birth, but identifies as male. Does that not make him a transman? 73.168.193.29 (talk) 22:52, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
LGBT?
Okay, so there's a hidden note not to add Category:Fictional transgendered people to the article. Right next to Category:Transgender people and behavior. The character isn't people, and isn't behavior, and (as is stated in the article) isn't transgender. Help?
Further confusion: the Category:LGBT video game characters means that Bridget is one of (lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender). Since the article specifically states not the last, but has no information on Bridget's sexuality, I'm confused as to the category. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 05:29, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
- I'm removing them. I've had enough of this chicanery. JuJube (talk) 06:14, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
- This message aged poorly. RteeeeKed💬📖 00:41, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
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Bridget is male in the original Japanese version
this is just two SPAs pushing a POV; if active editors have strong arguments for or against then please open a new section so we don’t have to continue this toxic edit war Dronebogus (talk) 16:20, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
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Bridget is referred as male in the Japanese version, by either developers, gamers and artists, and recently especially these last two were firm on this. A feminine male. The trans-girl misgendering and confusion is due to Western localization. 151.44.85.68 (talk) 02:49, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
I found a video regarding it and explaining all the confusion around it. 151.44.85.68 (talk) 03:03, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
Well, all the sources referring to Bridget as female are from the Arcane version of the game, but developers still refer to him as male, and even Bridget in Western localization of previous games outright describes himself as male. 151.44.85.68 (talk) 03:12, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
Japanese sources? 151.44.85.68 (talk) 04:29, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
Yo, I can't believe this page got locked again, jesus christ. I don't know how you reach a "consensus" to change a page, but User:Yndtbt had made a neutral enough change to the page to satisfy both sides of the argument. The sources you claim that all refer to Bridget as Trans are from places that only cover the English side of the game, and one of them is Kotaku, that place should never been taken as a reference, since its well-known that place is largely opinion-driven. The fact of the matter is, the place where the game and the character came from, Japan, does not and has not outright referred to Bridget as a female. Even the way he says it in the Japanese version is debated to be a tongue-in-cheek way that feminine males refer to themselves in Japan. As such, there is no clear answer until Arc System Works comes out and gives a clear answer, which is up in the air at this point because I'm sure they're just using this to generate more talk and controversy around their game. Until then however, please revert this back to User:Yndtbt's latest revision that was submitted on 9/3/2022 at 12:09. That will be the most neutral stance this page can have until ASW finally decides to stop pussy-footing around and give a clear answer on the matter. SPiR1000 (talk) 16:11, 7 September 2022 (UTC) |
Bias
"Due to his adorable appearance..."
Surely that's an opinion. I'm editting out the bias in this article.
- No, Bridget is adorable. This is a fact. Dronebogus (talk) 16:21, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
Dealing with Vandalism
this is not a forum to fight over Bridget’s gender identity. Dronebogus (talk) 16:23, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
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Alright this is well and truly out of hand. Can I get literally anyone with authority to just come in here and lock this page until the transphobes get tired of yelling? Comrade pem (talk) 20:46, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
To be explicit for anyone coming to find out what's going on in the future, Bridget's arcade mode plot in Guilty Gear Strive (in which she was just added as a character) explicitly covers Bridget's exploration of gender identity, culminating in an explicit declaration of femininity in both Japanese and English: https://www.dropbox.com/s/i6owj5p86kqhed7/bgt-en-jp-comp.mp3?dl=0
The Arcade Mode has several endings, with the flawless ending having him say he wants to be like Ky. Bridget wants to settle things with his home and come out to them as a boy, despite the potential consequences of that. This makes much more sense with his lore. Him saying he is a girl is effectively the bad ending to the Arcade Mode, giving in to being thought of as a girl. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.115.207.219 (talk) 13:50, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
It is very sad to see the ambiguity of the Japanese language lost in the localization process. He is generally considered to be a "pretty boy dressed as a girl". But nothing more and nothing less. In general, Japanese people do not think of pursuing something like gender identity of a fictional character in a definite way. Sometimes they value the ambiguity that does not provide a clear answer there. He is very closely related to the development of the category Otokonoko, and to simply use the fashionable label of transgender is myopic. There are several interesting references to him in the Japanese Otokonoko article. Sugarman (talk) 18:17, 10 August 2022 (UTC) I suggest reverting the gender/pronouns to what was before all of this and wait till official confirmation from the author's or continuation of the storyline. Since there seems to be multiple endings, all of which have different results, the only coherent choice would be to wait. Also @Bigbossbalrog: 1.- having a debate on the talk page is not vandalism, that's why it's a "talk" page. trolling is. 2.- your sole argument is "admins side with me" even though nobody knows you and you only started contributing this year. 3.- Your childish behaviour is more than enough to categorize you as a troll. ("You lost", shows how much of a bigot you are.") To anyone reading this, ignore this user, he's most likely trolling. And no, debating it's gender is not being transphobic. Square365 Favor (talk) 22:01, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
In the "Heart Lose" Stage 7 ending, Goldlewis asks to Bridget "Lemme guess. You're hiding your true self for the sake of others, aren't you?". To which she responds "How did you know?", and later "I always thought that, as long as I kept quiet, thinkgs would work out... But it hurts too much. I haven't even told my parents." [3]. Since her parents are the ones who raised her as a girl in secret, this implies she's been thinking about what's bothering her for a long time already. But also, it's not just the endings, her theme song "The Town Inside Me" [4] is clearly about transition too, in it she expresses how her achievements didn't help her with the "gray haze" she says she's been "carrying for a long time". The "gray haze" is also described as "Tastes like vegetables I don't like" and "I hate the alarm clock I chose", or even "It's my stress, that's for sure". The chorus ends with "Me without me // I'm the one to blame". The song ends with Bridget deciding to "paint the gray haze into sky blue" and "I know who you are! / I'm not leaving you again!", realising that "No matter what changes / Will *no longer* change me", echoing her lines in the Flawless Ending with Ky, meaning that Bridget will be Bridget no matter how people react to her coming out - she won't succumb to external pressures of any kind anymore. BrocolieBrocoli (talk) 21:52, 13 August 2022 (UTC) — BrocolieBrocoli (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Frankly, it's baffling that anyone would stubbornly claim she isn't transgender, all of this is not subtext, it's just text. Or rather, it would be if we didn't already know that mainstream gaming fanbases have a terrible track record with issues relating to women and queer people. Because her coming out is so clear, every major gaming publication that covered Bridget's release in Guilty Gear Strive's Season 2 has taken her coming out as trans as a matter of fact [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] (just a few examples from a quick "Bridget Guilty Gear" search on DuckDuckGo). Even if we didn't have an official source using she/her pronouns for her (which we do, in-game in GG World [10]), and thus didn't know what are her pronouns in English, her coming out as a transgender girl would still be undeniable to any reasonable and informed person. Resistance to this rather seems to be related to people not liking this character development, misunderstanding how it fits her previous development, and/or misunderstanding how a coming out works in practice (i.e. citing the aforementioned lines about "won't change me" as evidence that she isn't trans, because they associate the perceived change from outside to an internal change that, not only isn't there, but the entire point of coming out is to not need to present yourself as someone you are not). BrocolieBrocoli (talk) 21:52, 13 August 2022 (UTC) — BrocolieBrocoli (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 August 2022
this is a single, open-and-shut request. Stop fighting. Dronebogus (talk) 16:25, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
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Change "female" to "male" The gender of the character should be reverted back to male to more accurately reflect the majority lore of the character, especially since the "...I'm a girl." Voice line is debatably non-canon. Also this would serve the functional purpose of revealing the character's anatomy to less nowledgeable fans. 2600:1700:1F60:D880:98A:B64D:E6F1:6692 (talk) 05:28, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
I do want to point out that Bridget’s Japanese Wikipedia page does state she is portrayed as a transgender woman in Strive, although it only cites English sources. Therefore, I don’t think it’s fair to claim that the cultural differences are so insurmountable that nobody in Japan considers her transgender. https://ja.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ブリジット_(GUILTY_GEAR)#その他 Sorry for the lack of formatting, I’m on mobile. Maivea (talk) 21:16, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
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Just an idea to resolve conflict for now
I’m not seeing any new arguments here, sourcing always, always, always trumps WP:OR even if you don’t agree with it, and the article is sourced. Also, don’t use my neutral argument that Bridget is not “maybe whatever gender” to push a side. Dronebogus (talk) 22:16, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
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Wouldn't be better and resolve any conflict, at least for now until we receive a definitive official update and considering all we have so far, just writing in the description "Male/Female". Just an idea, but I don't think it's stupid. 151.46.7.235 (talk) 18:11, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
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