Talk:British Beer and Pub Association

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Statistics, people[edit]

The BBPA website states "over half of the nations 54,000 pubs" - not two thirds

Enterprise and punch taverns lease out approximately 15000 pubs between them Admiral taverns over 2000 leased pubs, Greene king pub partners leases out approx 1400 pubs, S&NPE leases out over 2000 pubs, Marstons leases out over 1700 pubs - So from the 6 biggest pubcos thats over 22100 pubs leased out to independant operators - which (by my maths) is a large proportion of over 27,000.

All figures above taken from the relevant company websites or through trade press releases from the said member companies - Therefore the changes I made are not assumptions. However {theessexenquirer} I can see your point ref assumptions, if you are looking for me to provide verifiable links through this stub to the figures I have just quoted - happy to do so if that is what you want. I'm also open to your input on possible alternative alterations.

Pousis Pousis (talk) 18:39, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Having reviewed the BBPA website, it is accurate to refer to over half, I have amended as such. I will accept your figures as a given, however do not believe they justify your point. The representation of numerous directly managed/operated pubs also hold a significant portion of the membership. I believe that actually providing this additional information in the introductory sentence is both confusing and unnecessary.

If you can demonstrate a notable benefit to improving the quality of information, I will concede the point, but given earlier malicious attacks on this page it seems prudent to play it safe. As it is clear that the owners of these pubs are paying for the pubs to be represented, even if, as you state, the operator has little or no involvement, the point is moot.

Theessexenquirer (talk) 17:20, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

I couldn't see your amendment to "over half" so I have just done that.

I disagree with the involvement part of the operator and think that it does make a difference for clarity - as a leasehold is the purchase of the use of building for a period of time, with no interference on the part of a landlord, Ne'er mind we could go round in circles on that. Having said that playing safe is no bad thing - especially given the vitriol of one or two of the bits of vandalism - however that doesn't mean that all change is bad just because it is not the status quo.

Pousis (talk) 18:28, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for that amend, my apologies I did not make it.

Theessexenquirer (talk) 11:51, 4 March 2010 (UTC)