Talk:C-class blimp

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This article is a stub. As explained when I wrote it, I added the references to the superior article.

If you can't read that, then here is the references Shock, James R., "US Navy Airshiips", Edgewater, Florida, Atlantis Press, 2001, ISBN 0-963743-8-6, pages 22-27, I can give others or is this enough for the most anal retentive of scholars?

Deleted Mistaken Reference and Associated Article Entry

The C-class blimp article mistakenly claimed that some C Class control cars were supplied by Saint Louis Aircraft. This is not true.

The Saint louis Aircraft Company manufactured "Motorized Observation Balloons for the US Army. See: Shock, ,James R. "U.s. Army Airships 1908-1942", Atlantis Publications Edgewater, Florida 2002 page 228, and pages 159-162.

Five C-6 Motorized Observation Balloons were operated by the US Army between 1936 and 1938. This was long after all C-class blimps had been destroyed or retired. One car was built by Mercury Aircraft, two by St. Louis Aircraft and two by Goodyear.

The Navy's C Class blimp control cars were all built by the Burgess Works of the Curtiss Aeroplane and Motor Co. The envelopes were provided by Goodyear (six C-1, C-3,C-4, C-5, C-7 and C-8, as well as two spare envelopes) and Goodrich (C-2, C-6, C-9 and C-10). See: Shock, James R. "U.S. Airships 1915-1962", Atlantis Publications Edgewater, Florida 1992, 2001 page 22.

I can see how a google search could return a reference to the "C-6" as in the example I removed. The article "THE ST. LOUIS CARDINALS, et al." by Frederick W. Roos at http://www.airandspacemuseum.org/STLCARDINALS.htm#5 shows a picture labeled "Army C-6 motorized observation balloon at Scott Field, late 1930s. The suspended engine-equipped crew car, not the entire balloon, was made by St. Louis Aircraft". That clearly states the operator, Army not Navy, and the type of aircraft, a Motorized Observation Balloon, not C-type Airship, aka C Class Blimp.

The history of blimp operations by the Navy, and particularly the Army is very confused and confusing. Documentation is spotty and often fragmentary. For example: two blimps built by the Navy, C-1 and C-2, were also operated briefly by the Army. C-1 (Navy Serial Number A-4118, Goodyear envelope with Burgess car) was operated by the USN in 1918-1919 from Rockaway, NY and Key West, FL. It was transfered from the Navy to the Army Balloon Division on 20 April 1920. It was shipped to Camp Bierne, El Paso TX in May 1920 and not flown until 28 September 1920. The ultimate fate of C-1 is unknown.

The C-2 (USN Serial Number A-4119, Goodrich envelope with Burgess car) operated with the Navy in 1918. It was transfered to the Army at Langley Field VA on 14 October 1919. Though known to be at Langley it's history there is unknown.

To further confuse things ex-Navy C-2 was replaced in 1920 by the Army with a quite different "C-2". That blimp was the same size as the Navy C-2 but had a control car and fins similar to the later Army TC-type airships. The new "C-2" was composed of a Goodyear Type "U" envelope (D-15) and Goodyear control car C-11. The second C-2 was shipped to the Army on 2 March 1920 and after many adventures burned at Brooks Field, San Antonio, TX in late 1922.

Some sources indicate that the C-4 was turned over to the Army in 1921 and later became the C-14. The Navy C-4 served NAS Montauk, NAS Rockaway, and NAS Cape May. Ultimately it was shipped to San Diego where it was found to be in poor condition. There is no evidence it ever operated from San Diego. The Army did operate a blimp "C-14". It had a Goodyear Type UA control car no. C-14 (thus the name). It had a Connecticut Aircraft Company envelope. The C-14 was entirely different from the Navy C-class being composed of a "D" type envelope and "TC" type control car. It was operational from 1921 to 1923.

We all need to scrutinize our sources to ensure quality research. This is especially important in the era of the world wide web where mistakes can be made at light speed. Mark Lincoln Mark Lincoln (talk) 22:06, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Operational dates.

The C-1 and C-2 were delivered to the Navy in 1918, C-1 on 22 October and the C-2 later in that year. C-7 is last known to be flown in December 1921. The C-7 was reported deflated in 1922 (some sources, Shock thinks them wrong, state 1924). C-9 is listed as being transferred from Coco Solo to Hampton Roads on 1 March 1922. The date of it's final deflation is unknown. Now I must go back and fix a typo, 1921 instead of 1922. Oops! Mark Lincoln Mark Lincoln (talk) 22:42, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

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explodes (incongruous)

How did the airship explode in NJ if it was filled with helium as the article states? Were they not all filled with helium? Clarification needed. Tnx — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2620:0:1000:FD86:DD6E:4F97:FE46:B9F9 (talk) 17:19, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

The Navy C-7 tesed hellium in December 1921. The C-8 exploded in July 1919.

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