Talk:Cardiovascular disease in women
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[edit] This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 2 September 2020 and 9 December 2020. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Sharmin68.
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[edit] This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 25 October 2021 and 20 November 2021. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Vs2022. Peer reviewers: Abnormalsaline.
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US Slant
[edit]Seems specific to the US Elinruby (talk) 00:12, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
Article Evaluation and Work Plan
[edit]Lead Section: The introduction clearly states the subject along with some general background information about the history of the topic and why it matters. It summarizes the historical aspect and the reason cardiovascular disease in women was not well understood. It does not include extraneous information, and is not overly long.
Content: The available content is a good start in addressing the topic. The article does a good job of further explaining the history behind the study of cardiovascular disease in women and gives context to the current trajectory of research in the "Shift and trends" section. It would be beneficial to expand on the "Symptoms" and "Risk Factors" sections, as well as adding content related to treatment, long term complications including morbidity and mortality, differences among socioeconomic groups, etc.
Tone and Balance: The tone is neutral and appropriate. Viewpoints do not appear biased.
Sources and Citations: All 10 citation links work and support the claims made in the article. The sources are neutral, however, the majority of sources seem to be a reflection of the American Heart Association guidelines. It appears that most facts are followed up with an appropriate citation, but some paragraphs do lack citations. I would like to add additional sources to expand upon the symptoms, risk factors, treatment, epidemiology, health disparities, etc.
Organization and Writing Quality: The article is concise and easy to follow. It does not contain any obvious grammar mistakes. It is well-organized into readable sections.
Images and Media: There is currently no image or media associated with the page. The addition of relevant images will make the article more visually interesting.
Talk Page: This page is rated as a Start with High importance. It is part of WikiProject Medicine and is supported by the Cardiology task force and Translation task force. A user pointed out on the Talk page that this article focuses primarily on cardiovascular disease in women in the United States. It might be beneficial to add a section covering epidemiology of the disease, and how the mentioned sections (risk factors, exposures, long term complications, etc.) differ in various areas of the world.
Overall: The article is a good start to exploring cardiovascular disease in women. Its strengths revolve around the detailed historical context provided to explain the need for emphasis on understanding the presentation of this disease in women. The article can be improved by expanding on other areas as listed above. I plan to prioritize expanding the available sections on Risk Factors and Symptoms to begin, and will add additional sections after those are complete. I hope to embed links to other relevant Wiki pages and keep the language readable to ensure that the information on this topic is easily accessible to anyone who desires to learn more. Vs2022 (talk) 02:12, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
Peer Review
[edit]General info
Whose work are you reviewing? Vs2022
Link to draft you're reviewing Cardiovascular disease in women
Link to the current version of the article (if it exists) Cardiovascular disease in women
Evaluate the drafted changes
Lead
The lead does a good job introducing the topic concisely and clearly explains the importance of the topic
Although it does not specifically provide a brief description of all the sections, it provides a good introduction for the rest of the article
It does not seem necessary to provide a brief description here
Content
The content is very relevant to the overall topic and provides more detailed information regarding the topic
Tone and Balance
Since the topic is bringing awareness to an underrepresented group, it makes sense that there is an emphasis on women vs men
I think the article does a good job underlying the various ways that women are effected by CVD compared to men
It still remains neutral especially since it does provide cited statistics about CVD in men
Sources and References
New content is cited appropriately from reliable sources
The sources are current will the oldest one published in 2010
Organization
The content is well organized and is broken up into understandable sections that are easy to follow
There are a few grammatical errors but no spelling errors
The organization and order of the sections make sense
Images and Media
There are no images within the article but due to the nature of the topic, images are not necessary to enhance learning
Overall Impressions
The edits definitely enhanced the overall content and understanding about the topic
The edits adds more information regarding the CVD risk factors in women, which is very helpful in the overall understanding of CVD in women
I think you did a great job expanding on this topic and how CVD differs in women vs men
Abnormalsaline (talk) 16:22, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
Thesis
[edit]Thesis Proposal to edit article selected:
Wikipedia article: “Cardiovascular disease (CVD) in women.
Recommended changes are as follows:
Introduction: - Lead provides sufficient information on CVD and its history - Fails to provide brief overview of sections present in article - Edit out story regarding CVD and its rise in concern since the mid 1980s
Signs and symptoms: - Add more details regarding the symptoms listed
History: - Well written - Only provides information till 1990, needs updated data
Shifts and trends: - Information only limited to the USA (clear US slant) - Change to epidemiology?
Mechanisms and causes: - Need to add a section referring to various mechanisms that may cause CVD in women (may be difficult to encompass all of them as it can happen in numerous ways)
Treatment: - Need to add a section regarding treatments available for those seeking information for next steps if they feel their symptoms match
General: - Not enough references to address the expansive amount of information present in the medicine regarding this topic. - Need to include more graphics and images to visually summarize the presented information for viewers - General grammatical edits and restructuring to maintain consistency in tone - Change to layman terms to prevent confusion
Sahrishmasood (talk) 15:30, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
Wiki Education assignment: UCSF SOM Inquiry In Action-- Wikipedia Editing 2022
[edit] This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 8 August 2022 and 20 September 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Rafpez, Sohinihalder (article contribs). Peer reviewers: Hcmiles.
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Requested move 4 November 2023
[edit]- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 14:12, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
Cardiovascular disease in women → Cardiovascular disease in females – Besides many articles, this is yet another article that ignores differences between sex and gender, and is completely inconsistent with the article sex-gender distinction per WP:CONSISTENT.
The pathology of cardiovascular diseases depends on sex, based on anatomical and hormonal differences, and not on gender. In fact, the article itself implies as such:
CVDs, especially heart attacks, often present symptoms in women differently than in men due to anatomical and hormonal differences.
Thus, I propose that this article be renamed to "Cardiovascular disease in females" and to replace all instances of "men" with "males" and all instances of "women" with "females", in order to include all females, including women, pre-operative trans men, post-operative trans women, non-binary people, and agender people who have female gonads and female genitals, including a uterus, 2 fallopian tubes, a vagina, and a cervix.
Intersex people with one or more female gonads and/or female genitals also have anatomical and hormonal similarities to females, hence CVDs' pathology can also be similar in intersex people compared to females.
LGBTQ+ people do not need to be necessarily mentioned in articles, unless they are quite notable according to independent reliable sources. — CrafterNova [ TALK ] [ CONT ] 13:46, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose. Women are female humans. Even our own article on women says so. Rreagan007 (talk) 19:53, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
- Sex and gender are different things. Trans men are born females but they are men, not women. So are agender females, but they are born without any gender.
- Pretending that "sex and gender are the same thing" is biologically inaccurate, unrealistic, and totally unreasonable.
- Notability is not the sole reason of existence of the sex-gender distinction article. Either we should delete the article, or we should make all other articles consistent with it.
- WP:ADVOCACY correctly says that advocated groups should not be excessively mentioned or portrayed in ways that promote a persons' or an organizations' beliefs or agendas at the expense of Wikipedia's goals and core content policies. Yes, LGBTQ+ people do not need to be necessarily mentioned, unless they are notable. This page move does not mention LGBTQ+ people in any way.
- Many LGBTQ+ people are researchers and scientists, but their work and contributions are often ignored. This is what discourages LGBTQ+ people to be Wikipedians, and LGBTQ+ editors avoid editing such articles because of ingrained systemic bias.
- And all others pretend that it's okay just because LGBTQ+ people are not objecting to status quo, and no policies are being violated. Are Wikipedia's policies actually based on neutrality of points of view regardless of gender, sex, and sexuality? I doubt that, because LGBTQ+ editors have rarely participated in the creation of such policies. — CrafterNova [ TALK ] [ CONT ] 08:11, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose. A female human is a woman. A trans man would not consider himself to be female, so I fail to see what this nomination hopes to achieve. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:37, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose, on several bases. This will be long because of the number of rationales and follow-up arguments by the nominator that need discrete examination (plus two concerns they missed). The short version is that the proposed name fails WP:PRECISE, fails what WP:CONSISTENT actually means (nominator badly misunderstood it), is not well-supported by RS usage, and the arguments presented in favor of it are demonstrably faulty, often badly so.
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- Until the English language changes much more than it already has in this sphere, the present title is the best one and is going to remain that way for a long time. Wikipedia never leads in change-the-language efforts, it only follows what the preponderance of high-quality reliable sources are doing. Compare these Google Scholar searches [4][5][6][7]. Not only does "in women" lead over "in females" in this subject by a wide margin, relevant works that mention "transmen"/"trans men"/"transgender men" strings at all are few and are usually trans-specific, not "women and trans men" pieces of the sort that the move-nominator is trying to engineer here. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 02:06, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
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