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Vermin should not be used[edit]

Random house dictionary defines vermin as "noxious, objectionable, or disgusting animals collectively". Calling an animal noxious and disgusting sounds very derogetory to me and is full of speciesism. Words like this is not appropriate for an encyclopedia. Even in the vermin page there have been questions raised on related issues by many users including me. We could use an alternative word without the derogetory tone at least, I suggest "pest". Smk65536 (talk) 03:52, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Pests are also "noxious, objectionable or disgusting", so your solution doesn't solve any problems. Further, the usual explanation for the reason that cats became domesticated (i.e., associated with humans) is that they controlled vermin that were attracted to stored food. There's no reason for us to deviate from the standard description. And you can't impose your penchant against "speciesism" here. We use the terms most people use when discussing something, we don't alter them to address political controversies that don't pertain. BTW, "speciesism" is the assumption of human superiority leading to the exploitation of animals. If anything, it's the cats that are the "victims" of speciesism here, not the vermin. Because food, water, companionship, shelter and all the mice you can eat is apparently exploitation. - Nunh-huh 04:40, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
Where does it say that pests are also "noxious, objectionable or disgusting"? On it says "an annoying or troublesome person, animal, or thing; nuisance". This tone is far lighter than that of vermin. The speciesism I am describing is about using derogetory words to describe certain animals. The word "pest" is no less common. To address your aside, why are you portraying the beneficiaries of human activity as victims? Your argument is suggesting the victims are those harmed by cat ownership. Smk65536 (talk) 04:55, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
Let's use real dictionaries instead of the Internet. In a real dictionary vermin is defined as "wild mammals and birds that are believed to be harmful to crops, farm animals or game, or that carry disease" or as "parasitic worms or insects". (This from the New Oxford American Dictionary.) It's not a term of abuse, it is exactly the correct technical term we want to use in this article. - Nunh-huh 05:04, 31 July 2015 (UTC) is not a "fake dictionary" on the internet, it is based and partners with many paper dictionaries. The first definition is from Random House which is quite a prominent paper dictionary, whose meaning is clearly derogatory. Smk65536 (talk) 07:21, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
This is pointless semantics. "Vermin" is the correct term in this context, and there is nothing derogatory about it. Mediatech492 (talk) 14:04, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
I'd like to believe so but the dictionary definition I gave says otherwise. This also matches my experience where vermin is often used as an insult. Smk65536 (talk) 14:47, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
I agree with Mediatech492, vermin is the correct word to use here.--Asher196 (talk) 16:04, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
I vote "pest." Most of our readers are going to assume "vermin" means cockroaches, mice, rats and other small disease-carrying animals. And besides, if "vermin" means animals that are "harmful to crops, farm animals or game," then just about all animals fit that category to one extent or another including dogs, farm animals, birds, deer, etc etc. People even. Rissa, Guild of Copy Editors (talk) 02:44, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
If that's what most of our readers assume, then they will have good reading comprehension and will have correctly understood what the theory says: that cats hunt disease-carrying animals and those that would deplete stores of human food. People, by the way, are not vermin. You know....except in the opinion of Hitler. - Nunh-huh 06:44, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
But if the word "pest" reduces ambiguity and the derogatory tone, then isn't it better? Your WWII example also points to a derogatory/racist usage of vermin.Smk65536 (talk) 16:41, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
The real problem is that "vermin" is vague, leaving it open to unintended interpretations such as that of Smk65536. This could be improved by replacing the word with a more precise phrase such as "rodents and other pests". As a minimal fix I have linked the term to the Vermin article so it is clear what the intended meaning is. Augurar (talk) 07:44, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
I don't think there is anything vague about "Vermin" in the context given here. It is not in any way misleading. "Pest" is no improvement, if anything "Pest" is more vague and therefore an inferior alternative at best. Mediatech492 (talk) 18:36, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

The Internet and cats[edit]

Please swing by and help improve this new article! :D--Coin945 (talk) 03:30, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Cat people and dog people[edit]

Please consider creating this proposed article on an extremely notable topic. (Sources are included).--Coin945 (talk) 15:30, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 November 2015[edit] (talk) 20:36, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

cats are incredibly intelligent. they have part of the human brain on the right of the REMORSE LOBE.

Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 21:17, 8 November 2015 (UTC)