Talk:Cham Albanian collaboration with the Axis

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A couple of points[edit]

First, I'd propose that this article be renamed to "Collaboration of the Cham Albanians with the Axis occupation", in line with Expulsion of the Cham Albanians. Second, in the Background section, in the sentence "Prior to the outbreak of World War II, 28 villages in the region were inhabited exclusively by Muslim Chams, and an additional 20 villages had mixed populations", it is not clear if the mixed pop. is Greek and Albanian or Muslim Cham and Orthodox Cham. --Athenean (talk) 00:43, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Axis-Cham Albanian collaboration[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Axis-Cham Albanian collaboration's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Kresti":

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT 21:43, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Axis-Cham Albanian collaboration[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Axis-Cham Albanian collaboration's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Kretsi":

  • From Këshilla: Kretsi, Georgia.The Secret Past of the Greek-Albanian Borderlands. Cham Muslim Albanians: Perspectives on a Conflict "Albanian political administration called ‘Këshilla’ was founded in 1942, and after 1943 it was completed with its own armed forces as well as a gendarmerie"
  • From Cham Albanians: Kretsi, Georgia.Verfolgung und Gedächtnis in Albanien. Harrassowitz, 2007. ISBN 9783447055444, p. 283.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT 22:01, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Reason why Robert Elsie needs to be in there[edit]

Alexikoua, you deletion is problematic. Wikipedia policy regarding primary sources states the following:

Policy: Unless restricted by another policy, 'primary sources that have been reliably published may be used in Wikipedia; but only with care, because it is easy to misuse them.'[4] Any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable secondary source for that interpretation. A primary source may only be used on Wikipedia to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge. For example, an article about a novel may cite passages to describe the plot, but any interpretation needs a secondary source. Do not analyze, synthesize, interpret, or evaluate material found in a primary source yourself; instead, refer to reliable secondary sources that do so. Do not base an entire article on primary sources, and be cautious about basing large passages on them. Do not add unsourced material from your personal experience, because that would make Wikipedia a primary source of that material. Use extra caution when handling primary sources about living people; see WP:BLPPRIMARY, which is policy.

I have taken that into account.One i did not use Robert Elsie within the article content itself, hence i have not attempted to "analyze, synthesize, interpret, or evaluate material" and so on. I placed the book in the Further Reading section. I fail to see how that is violating the terms or spirit of the above policy. The Robert Elsie book is of importance for the reader if they so wish to read and consult more about these matters for themselves. Other Wikipedia articles have similar things by placing links to such material. Two fine examples on wikipedia are the articles on The Holocaust and the Armenian Genocide. Regarding the first, its further reading section is titled over there as External links while the other has much material in the Bibliography section (in particular the Survivors' testimonies and memory section and External links too. It contains links to archives to a multitude of primary source material (and there are many more examples on Wikipedia). I don't see how that is violating the terms of the policy. Otherwise they too would have too remove it as it is primary sources. Robert Elsie's book is a compilation of documents that contain material relating to the era and to this subject matter. As the Wikipedia policy states, as long as primary source material is not used outright within the content of the article, or that diligence is taken into account within the content of the article when used, it can be there. But i did not use it within the content of the article, it was outside its scope. I'm interested to hear your thoughts on this per the policy? Resnjari (talk) 03:16, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

This collection of primary papers was not deleted but moved to the appropriate section, since it's not used in the present version as inlince reference. Needless to say again that there should be made use of it with great precaution per wp:primary.Alexikoua (talk) 08:01, 10 May 2015 (UTC)