Talk:Che people

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This article was nominated for deletion on 26 February 2009 (UTC). The result of the discussion was keep.

Copy Edited

I have completed an initial edit of this article for grammar, style, and punctuation. Further review and editing will be necessary because I have only a basic understanding of the subject matter. Grimey109 17:21, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hakka People

The Hakkas are Han and not Che. I doubt Che/Hmong speakers/people were transformed into Hakkas, as Hakkas were somewhat later arrivals to this part of China. I suspected this article is a joke article rather than an accurate historical article.

I am not sure about who the Hakkas were exactly. However, the article does sound like a hoax to me on account of the fact that it is terribly disjointed and because of the size of the edit history.

By the way, I am not trying to suggest that the Che people never existed; in fact, their existence is certain. The problem is that the article in question appears to contain misinformation. Albert584 (talk) 03:46, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Suspect paragraphs

Che people are the earliest known settlers in Guangdong. They originally settled along the shallow shore for easier fishing during the Neolithic era. After an influx of Yuet people moved south during the Warring States Period in northern China, there was serious competition for resources between the two peoples.

Three paragraphs later, the reader encounters this.

There were many conflicts between Han Chinese and the Che people. Che salt producers on Lantau Island in Hong Kong had attacked the city of Canton in a revolt during the Song dynasty.

Who exactly were this "influx of Yuet people" supposed to be? Also how come three paragraphs later, it talks about "Han Chinese" rather than "Yuet" people? Albert584 (talk) 04:48, 27 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Update: I have removed the words "in northern China" from the sentence "After an influx of Yuet people moved south during the Warring States Period in northern China..." as it is not strictly correct. Albert584 (talk) 11:40, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Here a Che, there a Che

I was able to find (only) one reference that certainly applies to the Che people which are the subject of this article. I added it. I also found references to Che people, which don't seem to be related, but which I include below in case they are useful in the evolution of this article:

The Che clan were leaders of the Tangut tribes and rivals of the Tuoba clan. They served the Song court in thwarting the Xia state. After the fall of the Northern Song, the Jurchen Jin court transported the clan to Shandong in the interests of peace with the Xia.^[1]

...and...

The Che clan of Tibet founded the Shalu Monastery in 1040. Like the Khon clan, with whom they were allied, the Che clan claimed divine descent. Their genealogy included a King Asha who was descended from the kings of Tasik and from the Turco-Mongols who settled Zhangzhung.^[2]

--Shunpiker (talk) 06:28, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

^ Franke, Herbert (1994). The Cambridge History of China: Volume 6, Alien Regimes and Border States, 710-1368. Cambridge University Press. p. 167. ISBN 0521243319. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
^ Stein, Rolf Alfred (1972). Tibetan Civilization. Stanford University Press. pp. 75, 231. ISBN 0804709017. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)

[1] Franke, Herbert (1994). The Cambridge History of China: Volume 6, Alien Regimes and Border States, 710-1368. Cambridge University Press. p. 167. ISBN 0521243319. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)

[2] Stein, Rolf Alfred (1972). Tibetan Civilization. Stanford University Press. pp. 75, 231. ISBN 0804709017. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)

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