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- Not sure why it wold make more sense. Surely Roman inscriptions at the Claudian period normally had serifs? --rossb 20:00, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
I just removed this:
- His first innovation, however, would not catch on for about 600 years, when W was derived from a ligature of two Vs.
I can't find anything at W to suggest that it had anything to do with the Claudian letters, or see any apparent connection... Am I missing something that is not clear? ፈቃደ (ውይይት) 22:39, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
- I think the 'innovation' was meant to be 'the use of a separate letter for consonantal V than vocalic V', not the use of any particular letter shape to do so. —Muke Tever talk 22:55, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- Not [ɪ], [y] or [ʏ] in Classical Greek. David Marjanović 21:47, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
- Probably inventor of "Roman daily gazette" was google translator :-) There wasn't such thing, Suetonius wrote about [state] registers... I fixed it. 220.127.116.11 (talk) 15:33, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
The text by Suetonius cited as reference clearly state that the half H was created to repredent the so-called sonus medius and not the Greek upsilon which had been transcribed with Y since the I century BC.--Carnby (talk) 21:31, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
- No, the text by Suetonius says "three new letters", and refers to Claudii lost (?) "instruction manual" for them, without further specifying their form or usage. ... said: Rursus (bork²) 10:32, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
- I believe you're out for Quintilian who has an extensive treaty on letters and pronunciations, including descriptions on the Claudian letters. ... said: Rursus (bork²) 10:35, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
- It is generally assumed that it referred to a vowel like [y] or [ʏ], since it must have been (judging from the vacillating spelling) a sound in between [i] and [u]. However, it would presumably continue an earlier schwa vowel which became an [y]-like vowel (as opposed to the default outcome [i]) in the vicinity of a labial consonant, hence: Early Latin *optemos > *optəmos > Old Latin optymus.
- Apparently, any full vowel /a e i o u/ in an Early Latin non-initial open syllable became neutralised to a schwa by ca. 500 BC, and later this schwa was either dropped entirely or was phonemicised as /i/ (the default outcome), /e/ (preceding /r/, and apparently word-finally), /y/ (before labial consonants), or /u/ (before /l/), and the marginal vowel [y] (perhaps really only an allophone of /i/?) was later (in the classical period) re-phonemicised as either /i/ or /u/, restoring the original system of five short vowels. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 23:38, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
- «Ⱶ, a half H to represent the so-called sonus medius, a short vowel sound between U and I before labial consonants in Latin words such as optumus/optimus»
optumus/optimus? Come on. You know better examples than ones with U and I in reverse order. -- 03:09, 6 January 2013 18.104.22.168