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New logo and branding of Cochrane[edit]

The Cochrane has re-branded itself in terms of bringing uniformity and calling it just Cochrane instead of Cochrane Collaboration. It has also a new logo. The wikipedia page needs to be updated to reflect this. However I am not doing this since I have previously been employed by Cochrane and this might be perceived as CoI. More details : http://community.cochrane.org/community/development-projects/cochrane-brand — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drsoumyadeepb (talkcontribs) 03:35, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

I'll do some of these edits amosabo t@lk; 19:14, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
@Amosabo: Would be cool to see new logo (under fair use, of course - we have official partnership with Cochrane) used in the Wikipedia Library's very boring Cochrane Userbox -- Paulscrawl (talk) 19:42, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
Sure, on it. amosabo t@lk; 20:56, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

2010 Cochrane & Campbell Colloquium Keynoter: Promoter of Rage Reduction[edit]

Rep. Patricia Schroeder, the unrepentant supporter of an abusive psychotherapy for adopted children, was keynoter for the 2010 Cochrane & Campbell Collaborations Joint Colloquium. Leaders of Cochrane and Campbell where made aware of Schroeder's promotion of the unvalidated practice called "Rage Reduction" (aka Attachment Therapy, Holding Therapy) -- a practice denounced by the American Psychological Association's Division on Child Maltreatment and the American Professional Society on the Abuse of Children as "inappropriate for all children" (see task force report on Attachment Therapy in the journal "Child Malpractice," Feb 2006). For details see "Pat Schroeder’s endorsement of Rage Reduction Therapy: The Cult of the Celebrity Strikes Again" by Linda Rosa, RN, Science-Based Medicine, October 8, 2010 [1]

Opinions[edit]

I would like to see some independant reviews and opionins about the collaboration. To get a clue about the quality of their work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.252.109.198 (talk) 11:03, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

  • Me too. As an avid WP reader, I have enormous respect for the quality of most of WP. There is one particularly nasty exception when it comes to medically-related articles, and that is the constant and gratuitous inclusion of this group's seemingly-important 'meta' analyses. I mean, come on, is that a joke? Piece together the work of the *real* scientists and then arrogantly say "yep" or "nope"? As of today I am launching my own meta-meta-analysis of the Cochrane Collaborations' meta-analyses. I have a strong suspicion that we will ultimately conclude that there is no sufficient basis to believe inclusion of the CC's meta-analyses in Wikipedia serves any purpose other than to waste the time of meta-meta committees like ourselves. We have have much more important things to do, like disseminate information on pan-agnostic anti-atheism. No but seriously. These gratuitous inclusions are a very noticeable smudge on the shiny exterior of WP's medical section. As someone who understands the field, I have *never* found any of their results productive (and sometimes, frankly, they're downright wrong). And if I weren't someone who understood the field, then, I mean, I wouldn't be taking advice from some random organization that's in bed with Wikipedia. So either way, there's just not much to be gained.2601:E:CC80:118:C58D:483B:42CF:85FD (talk) 08:36, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
I see that some IP address was just rearranging this message.
If not Cochrane, then what would be a good source? Blue Rasberry (talk) 10:03, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
Yes, I tried to tone it down a bit (this is the same person, but now a different IP). Here's my take on it: we already HAVE good sources -- primary, peer-reviewed papers on clinical trials and so forth. Often, it seems that Cochrane Collabs are cited as a sort of 'summary' of the existing literature, but in a way that trivializes it -- e.g., Cochrane meta-analysis has found that X was not statistically significant in affecting Y -- and often in a way that contradicts at least some of the literature (indeed, the idea of the meta-analysis is to smooth over what might be perceived as spurious results). I believe that it's far more productive to let the primary sources say what they will to get a clear picture of the research, rather than try to come to an ultimate conclusion with a meta-analysis. The vast majority of readers who don't work in whatever field is of relevance will likely come away remembering only the result of Cochrane, rather than having the real, if not-so-pretty picture: that several studies have produced somewhat-conflicting results and, hence, the relationship between X and Y remains unclear. Let's put it this way -- I've never seen Cochrane cited by an authoritative textbook source. Instead, non-meta sources are cited, and if the conclusions thereof are unclear, it is simply stated as such (since this outcome is more than common in the medical field). So my encouragement is to leave Cochrane out and instead to let the sources speak for themselves. Either way, it would REALLY help to have some idea of the authority of this group. 70.172.234.150 (talk) 07:31, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
That is easier to address. Encyclopedias, including Wikipedia, are not a place for original research or primary sources, so when only primary sources exist to cover a concept, then that concept is not eligible for coverage in Wikipedia. As you say, people should seek the primary sources, leave the sources to say what they will, and draw their own conclusions. This should happen outside of Wikipedia, and Wikipedia should be blank on such topics. Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:34, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Merging with Cochrane Library[edit]

Could easily be a subsection of this page. II | (t - c) 05:56, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

  • That could easily be explained in the subsection. II | (t - c) 21:55, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Should not be merged, keep it as it is. Mainak (talk) 18:44, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Tone of article.[edit]

The tone of this article is that of a commercial advertisement. There is a strong impression of personal bias on the part of the authors.Deej9000 (talk) 01:31, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

"The author"? This article has over 40 contributors, none of whom have made more than four edits. Qwfp (talk) 21:23, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

UKCC[edit]

The UK Cochrane Centre is widely cited by third-party secondary sources [1] [2] [3] new and old [4] [5], therefore fulfilling notability criteria and warranting its own article.

It is independent in funding from the Collaboration and the Bahrain Branch of the UK Cochrane Centre is responsible for Cochrane in the Middle East. [6]

(I'm new to this so would appreciate a second opinion)

--Amosabo (talk) 13:20, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Amosabo Just because something is notable and can have its own article does not mean that it should. I am actually talking this through right now on the article for my organization, Consumer Reports, and wondering what ought to be done. I would say first write some content and put it here in Cochrane Collaboration, then if it seems clever to fork that content off into its own independent article then do it. It is difficult to talk about what should be done with information which has not been produced. Can you write something here in a subsection for now? Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:50, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
All right, I've added a subsection here for now and we'll see if it needs expanding to a separate page later.--Amosabo (talk) 14:05, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

seems "cult-ish" like TED[edit]

seems "cult-ish" like TED — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.180.134.108 (talk) 20:08, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Secondary sources readily available via 'Cochrane in the News' archive[edit]

Per WP:Primary, please start replacing - or at least supplementing - self-referential citations to CC sites with references to reliable secondary sources that are unaffiliated with the Cochrane Collaboration. These news articles are easily and freely accessible via the 'Cochrane in the News' archive. -- Paulscrawl (talk) 18:58, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Cochrane groups, fields, and centres[edit]

Cochrane now has 14 centres, 53 groups, and 12 fields (numbers need updating in page, will update them) I do not see a reason for specific centres/groups/fields to be mentioned on this page. I suggest they be listed and any extra details left to new pages if need be. Any opinions? amosabo t@lk; —Preceding undated comment added 13:09, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

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