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The Insurgency is not decreasing[edit]

There's a line in this article that suggests that the insurgency has become less powerful. While it's true that it was significantly weakened in 2010, in many ways it has rebounded. For example, the NPA has increase the amount of fronts it has and has captured about 300 high powered rifles from enemy targets. While very little information can be gathered since most of it comes from either the military or the rebel group, I think it's fair to say that it has maintained a stalemate. Onthehook (talk) 18:06, 22 September 2012 (UTC)


Oh and I apologize for not signing, I only realized that I didn't sign after I edited the article.

I think that mentioning military and rebel sources would be fair, even though neither is WP:Third party. That said the phrase "decreasing" is a wp:weasel word because it is unclear what the time period is. The insurgency is clearly weaker than it was in the 1980s. --Iloilo Wanderer (talk) 11:21, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Page title[edit]

I think that the current page title "Communist insurgency in the Philippines" is the best. It is keeping with wp:CommonName since most call it a "communist insurgency" and not "insurgency of the communist party". Further not all armed communist groups are under the Communist party. Some have broken away and even signed a peace agreement with government. see [1] --Iloilo Wanderer (talk) 11:27, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Merge with New People's Army article?[edit]

I made a proposal at Talk:New People's Army#Merge this article with Communist Party of the Philippines and Communist insurgency in the Philippines article?. Please comment there so that there is only one discussion and we can reach a WP:Consensus.--Iloilo Wanderer (talk) 02:00, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Remove list of U.S. President as a commander/leader[edit]

Twice now an editor has added in the U.S. president as a commander in this fight. So what's the WP:Consensus? The instructions in the template (Template:Infobox military conflict) say "the commanders of the military forces involved". Since the U.S. has not had any military forces on the ground actively engaged, I do not think that the U.S. head of state should be listed as a "commander". Comments? --Iloilo Wanderer (talk) 08:14, 7 December 2014 (UTC)


Sources[edit]

http://www.mindanaoexaminer.com/news.php?news_id=20130719110432

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/444617/3-suspected-npa-fighters-arrested-in-palawan-police

http://www.arkibongbayan.org/2009/2009-08-Aug31-militarizationofLumads/militarization%20of%20lumads.htm

Rajmaan (talk) 19:26, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

World Mathaba Organization[edit]

Gaddafi used his World Mathaba Organization to support various revolutionary separatist groups

Hasan di Tiro helped Mathaba and Gaddafi support the Free Papua Movement of Jacob Prai, the Kanak faction in New Caledonia, the South Maluku Separatists, and the Moro National Liberation Front led by Nur Misuari in the Philippines.

Republic of South Maluku Revolutionary Front for an Independent East Timor Papua conflict Free Papua Movement Moro insurgency in the Philippines Kanak and Socialist National Liberation Front

http://books.google.com/books?id=ArvtbBOPwGIC&pg=PT177&dq=mathaba+libya&hl=en&sa=X&ei=swcNU6CtMK_JsQTug4CwCA&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=mathaba%20libya&f=false

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Libyan+terrorism:+the+case+against+Gaddafi.-a014151801

the time, the Libyan government was reportedly providing military or other support to the East Timor Liberation Movement, the Kanak Socialist National Liberation Front (New Caledonia), and the Free Papua Movement (Irian Jaya) as well as to Muslim guerrillas in the Philippines.

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http://books.google.com/books?id=i4h0AAAAMAAJ&q=COLONEL+GADDAFI'S+shadowy+international+revolutionary+organisation+Mathaba,+established+in+the+Libyan+capital+of+Tripoli+and+dispensing+funds+to+liberation+movements+around+the+world,+is+run+by+a+most+unlikely+radical.+Tunku+Mohammed+Hassan+di+Tiro,+a+Sumatran+prince,+fervent+Muslim+and+bitter+opponent+of+Indonesia,+is+the+chairman+of+Mathaba's+political+committee&dq=COLONEL+GADDAFI'S+shadowy+international+revolutionary+organisation+Mathaba,+established+in+the+Libyan+capital+of+Tripoli+and+dispensing+funds+to+liberation+movements+around+the+world,+is+run+by+a+most+unlikely+radical.+Tunku+Mohammed+Hassan+di+Tiro,+a+Sumatran+prince,+fervent+Muslim+and+bitter+opponent+of+Indonesia,+is+the+chairman+of+Mathaba's+political+committee&hl=en&sa=X&ei=BVQhU4y3K-PD0QG0g4GwDg&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAA

Title Pacific Islands Monthly, Volume 59 Publisher Pacific Publications., 1988 Original from the University of Michigan Digitized Sep 15, 2008

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http://books.google.com/books?id=XtNBAAAAYAAJ&q=In+an+exclusive+interview+with+Pacific+Islands+Monthly,+at+his+headquarters+in+Tripoli,+he+outlined+Mathaba's+organisation+and+aims+for+the+Asia+Pacific+region.+The+Mathaba+Against+Imperialism,+Racism,+Zionism+and+Fascism,+to+give+the+front+its+...&dq=In+an+exclusive+interview+with+Pacific+Islands+Monthly,+at+his+headquarters+in+Tripoli,+he+outlined+Mathaba's+organisation+and+aims+for+the+Asia+Pacific+region.+The+Mathaba+Against+Imperialism,+Racism,+Zionism+and+Fascism,+to+give+the+front+its+...&hl=en&sa=X&ei=1DdDU4jIBqLn2AX23YDoDA&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA

http://books.google.com/books?id=XtNBAAAAYAAJ&q=The+Mathaba+Against+Imperialism,+Racism,+Zionism+and+Fascism,+to+give+the+front+its+rather+inclusive+full+title,+is+%22the+Libyan+way+of+supporting+liberation+movements,+either+morally+or+financially,+depending+on+the+situation+but+not+militarily,%22+...&dq=The+Mathaba+Against+Imperialism,+Racism,+Zionism+and+Fascism,+to+give+the+front+its+rather+inclusive+full+title,+is+%22the+Libyan+way+of+supporting+liberation+movements,+either+morally+or+financially,+depending+on+the+situation+but+not+militarily,%22+...&hl=en&sa=X&ei=p2ZLU_qcL8rmsATY54HQDA&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA

http://books.google.com/books?id=XtNBAAAAYAAJ&q=...+with+the+liberation+movement+leaders+Libya+supports,+among+them+Jacob+Prai+of+the+OPM+(Free+Papua+Movement)+of+West+Papua+and+Yann+Ce-+lene+Uregei+of+New+Caledonia's+Kanak+radical+faction,+FUI.K+(United+Kanak+Liberation+Front).&dq=...+with+the+liberation+movement+leaders+Libya+supports,+among+them+Jacob+Prai+of+the+OPM+(Free+Papua+Movement)+of+West+Papua+and+Yann+Ce-+lene+Uregei+of+New+Caledonia's+Kanak+radical+faction,+FUI.K+(United+Kanak+Liberation+Front).&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qWdLU6fqLubisATU-4LABA&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA

http://books.google.com/books?id=XtNBAAAAYAAJ&q=the+various+independence+movements+active+across+the+Indonesian+Archipelago,+including+his+own+Aceh+Sumatra+Liberation+Front.+%22We+are+making+advances+against+Indonesia,+both+on+the+ground+and+diplomatically,+with+Fretilin+(East+Timor+Liberation+Front),+the+OPM,+the+Republic+of+the+South+Moluccas;+we+are+all+one.&dq=the+various+independence+movements+active+across+the+Indonesian+Archipelago,+including+his+own+Aceh+Sumatra+Liberation+Front.+%22We+are+making+advances+against+Indonesia,+both+on+the+ground+and+diplomatically,+with+Fretilin+(East+Timor+Liberation+Front),+the+OPM,+the+Republic+of+the+South+Moluccas;+we+are+all+one.&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2jdDU6-JLaK92gWL5YCwDQ&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA

http://books.google.com/books?id=XtNBAAAAYAAJ&q=%22We+are+making+advances+against+Indonesia,+both+on+the+ground+and+diplomatically,+with+Fretilin+(East+Timor+Liberation+Front),+the+OPM,+the+Republic+of+the+South+Moluccas;+we+are+all+one.+%22They+come+to+Tripoli+sometimes,+but+we+are+always+in+touch,+above+ground+and+underground,+inside+and+outside,+and+I+shall+see+to+it+when+Aceh+wins+so+do+OPM+and+the+Moluccans.%22+Hassan+di+Tiro's+alliance+with+...&dq=%22We+are+making+advances+against+Indonesia,+both+on+the+ground+and+diplomatically,+with+Fretilin+(East+Timor+Liberation+Front),+the+OPM,+the+Republic+of+the+South+Moluccas;+we+are+all+one.+%22They+come+to+Tripoli+sometimes,+but+we+are+always+in+touch,+above+ground+and+underground,+inside+and+outside,+and+I+shall+see+to+it+when+Aceh+wins+so+do+OPM+and+the+Moluccans.%22+Hassan+di+Tiro's+alliance+with+...&hl=en&sa=X&ei=oGZLU4aCN5W_sQSB2oDICw&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA


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http://books.google.com/books?id=XtNBAAAAYAAJ&q=Although+Hassan+di+Tiro+is+predictably+coy+about+the+details+of+Libyan+support+for+radical+movements,+claiming+Mathaba+only+provides+money,+reliable+reports+suggest+arms+shipments+have+gone+to+groups+such+as+the+Philippines+Muslim+Moro+rebels.+More+common+are+the+%22training+courses%22+provided+in+past+years+to+cadres&dq=Although+Hassan+di+Tiro+is+predictably+coy+about+the+details+of+Libyan+support+for+radical+movements,+claiming+Mathaba+only+provides+money,+reliable+reports+suggest+arms+shipments+have+gone+to+groups+such+as+the+Philippines+Muslim+Moro+rebels.+More+common+are+the+%22training+courses%22+provided+in+past+years+to+cadres&hl=en&sa=X&ei=VmhLU7X3Gau_sQSEvIKoAg&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA

http://books.google.com/books?id=XtNBAAAAYAAJ&q=Hassen+di+Tiro's+way+of+operating+the+Mathaba+Front+seems+to+rely+on+close+personal+links+between+key+leaders.+Of+radical+Kanak+leader+Yann+Celene+Uregei,+he+says.+%22We+are+so+close+they+make+me+their+spokesman+when+they+are+not+here.&dq=Hassen+di+Tiro's+way+of+operating+the+Mathaba+Front+seems+to+rely+on+close+personal+links+between+key+leaders.+Of+radical+Kanak+leader+Yann+Celene+Uregei,+he+says.+%22We+are+so+close+they+make+me+their+spokesman+when+they+are+not+here.&hl=en&sa=X&ei=mWdLU_S4KKLesAT8p4LYBw&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA

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COLONEL GADDAFI'S shadowy international revolutionary organisation Mathaba, established in the Libyan capital of Tripoli and dispensing funds to liberation movements around the world, is run by a most unlikely radical. Tunku Mohammed Hassan di Tiro, a Sumatran prince, fervent Muslim and bitter opponent of Indonesia, is the chairman of Mathaba's political committee.... Hassan di Tiro himself makes the crucial decisions, and runs a personal network of contacts with the liberation movement leaders Libya supports, among them Jacob Prai of the OPM (Free Papua Movement) of West Papua and Yann Ce- tene Uregei of New Caledonia's Kanak radical faction,

In an exclusive interview with Pacific Islands Monthly, at his headquarters in Tripoli, he outlined Mathaba's organisation and aims for the Asia Pacific region. The Mathaba Against Imperialism, Racism, Zionism and Fascism, to give the front its

the various independence movements active across the Indonesian Archipelago, including his own Aceh Sumatra Liberation Front. "We are making advances against Indonesia, both on the ground and diplomatically, with Fretilin (East Timor Liberation Front), the OPM, the Republic of the South Moluccas; we are all one.

Title Pacific Islands Monthly: PIM., Volume 59, Issues 1-10 Publisher Pacific Publications, 1988 Original from the University of Virginia Digitized Apr 8, 2009

http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,964515,00.html

http://books.google.com/books?id=aDgnAQAAIAAJ&q=In+the+past+year+Gaddafi's+agents+have+offered+arms+and+cash+to+rebels+in+Papua+New+Guinea,+encouraged+an+aboriginal+separatist+movement+in+Australia,+shipped+weapons+to+dissidents+in+New+Caledonia+and+tried+to+open+an+office+in+the&dq=In+the+past+year+Gaddafi's+agents+have+offered+arms+and+cash+to+rebels+in+Papua+New+Guinea,+encouraged+an+aboriginal+separatist+movement+in+Australia,+shipped+weapons+to+dissidents+in+New+Caledonia+and+tried+to+open+an+office+in+the&hl=en&sa=X&ei=okUKUvzFJsSEyAGW2YCQDA&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAA

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In the past year Gaddafi's agents have offered arms and cash to rebels in Papua New Guinea, encouraged an aboriginal separatist movement in Australia, shipped weapons to dissidents in New Caledonia and tried to open an office in the

Other information on Mathaba

http://books.google.com/books?id=Z9ufS6aXctQC&pg=PA211&dq=mathaba+libya&hl=en&sa=X&ei=swcNU6CtMK_JsQTug4CwCA&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=mathaba%20libya&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=HalDb2CfdO4C&pg=PA49&dq=mathaba+libya&hl=en&sa=X&ei=swcNU6CtMK_JsQTug4CwCA&ved=0CD8Q6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=mathaba%20libya&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=TcNy985Q-LQC&pg=PA44&dq=mathaba+libya&hl=en&sa=X&ei=swcNU6CtMK_JsQTug4CwCA&ved=0CDkQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=mathaba%20libya&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=Ec7aAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA16&dq=mathaba+libya&hl=en&sa=X&ei=swcNU6CtMK_JsQTug4CwCA&ved=0CEoQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=mathaba%20libya&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=Xoftt29B4soC&pg=PA195&dq=mathaba+libya&hl=en&sa=X&ei=swcNU6CtMK_JsQTug4CwCA&ved=0CFMQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=mathaba%20libya&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=9q0BYK7vEHcC&pg=PA195&dq=mathaba+libya&hl=en&sa=X&ei=swcNU6CtMK_JsQTug4CwCA&ved=0CFoQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=mathaba%20libya&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=AwvJI9RAlXMC&pg=PA28&dq=mathaba+libya&hl=en&sa=X&ei=swcNU6CtMK_JsQTug4CwCA&ved=0CEUQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=mathaba%20libya&f=false

Michael Mansell

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1300&dat=19870422&id=kbNRAAAAIBAJ&sjid=_5IDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5915,391755

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/messagestick/stories/s1104740.htm

http://overland.org.au/2013/10/michael-mansell-australian-of-the-year/

http://www.examiner.com.au/story/470288/gaddafi-loses-touch-with-people-mansell/

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/muammar-gaddafi-was-a-tyrant-and-comic-figure-but-few-were-laughing/story-e6frg6so-1226173440867

http://www.independentaustralia.net/australia/australia-display/understanding-indigenous-sovereignty,3946

http://books.google.com/books?id=a9ppOE30u8EC&pg=PA111#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=AY-gZEaijmsC&pg=PA249#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,964515,00.html

Kanak and Socialist National Liberation Front

http://books.google.com/books?id=aVcG7EkuPgAC&pg=PA345#v=onepage&q&f=false

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http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Libyan+terrorism:+the+case+against+Gaddafi.-a014151801

B-Class Assessment Request Questions[edit]

Per a request on the MILHIST page here are some questions/concerns about the current state of the article:

Grammar throughout needs to be hammered out with possible help from the Guild of Copy Editors
Should the insurgency start date be 1969, the date of formation of the New Peoples Army, instead of 1971, first date of action?
If " 21 September 1972, president Ferdinand Marcos declared Martial Law" how could the insurgency be a product of that decree if it was founded in 1971 or 1969?
MILF insurgency should probably be explained more
Timeline is long, making this article seem almost to be a list
Blank sections in the article either need to be filled or removed
If the groups were more active in the 1970s/80s why are there more citations about new attacks?
Not everything in the lead is included in the article

Hopefully this will help with further improvements to the article. --Molestash (talk) 01:40, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

I agree with your assessment. I took on this article as part of the Guild's list of articles needing help. I cleaned up the grammar tonight, excluding the timeline per the author's request. I believe I've hammered out the grammar issues but others would probably know more about the subject matter discrepancies. Maxwellwarner (talk) 07:42, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Grammar Edits above timeline section[edit]

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I copy edited the Timeline section, as it also needed some. --Stfg (talk) 22:56, 4 March 2015 (UTC)