Talk:Cthulhu

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Pronunciation[edit]

I think having a phonetic pronunciation section would benefit the page, but I don't actually know how to pronounce it. for example, the name joseph has "Pronunciation /ˈdʒoʊzəf/ or /ˈdʒoʊsəf/". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.212.29.90 (talk) 12:30, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

As the Spelling and Pronunciation section notes, Lovecraft himself was not consistent with the pronunciation, and it gives the pronunciations IPA: [ˈχɬʊl.ɬuː] or "Khlûl'-hloo" and /kəˈθl/ kə-THOO-loo. Ian.thomson (talk) 14:06, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
/kəˈθuːluː/?? How the hell is "Ke Bux Lux" anywhere close to "Ka Thoo Loo"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.95.43.249 (talk) 21:39, 14 June 2013 (UTC) — IPA misunderstanding or trolling.
Given the idea that correct pronunciation of the name invokes the presence of the entity, might I suggest something not too close to the actual pronunciation is preferable in casual discussion of the subject? I think the (deliberate) mispronunciation of K'tulu is wise.--Naaman Brown (talk) 19:31, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Please, could someone who have access to H. P. Lovecraft, Selected Letters V, pp. 10 – 11 confirm that "Kthûl'-hloo", as it appears here, has been correctly transcribed, and isn't "Khlûl’-hloo" as stated in www.hplovecraft.com? I think the 1st one would make sense, but all of the Clu... pronunciations that he supposedly wrote in letters (whose references I haven't seen except this one) would imply an arbitrary spelling by Lovecraft, and that's quite disappointing. How can "Cthu" be read "Clu"?? Red Mordor (talk) 21:18, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

When I read the pronunciation section I conclude that Lovecraft had no idea on linguistics, but readers are trying to make amends, so I apologise for throwing my tuppence in.
(i) I would argue that [sic.] be placed after the quote as guttural thickness sounds like linguistic gibberish and is therefore ambiguous. Linguistically there are at least three things this could mean. There is a process where consonants are co-articulated with a pharyngeal sound, called pharyngealization, e.g. arabic emphatic consonants (they have dots under them in Latin letters, but the IPA symbol differs). The glottis influences phonation, so you can speak with a modal voice (normal), breathy (murmur), stiff or creaky voice —I would say creaky voice is meant as "guttural thickness" if interpreted as such. Lastly, "guttural" is commonly used to describe something with lots of uvulars and fricatives, such as arabic q (uvular stop) or Scottish loch (velar fricative, /x/, kh in arabic, H in Klingon) and French R (voiced uvular fricative) — amusingly, /qθ/ is a worse sequence than the /qn/ in the Klingon "nuqneH".
(ii) It would be nice to link to a page for impossible sounds. Wiki has an article on phonotactics (allowed sounds), but there isn't an article on universal phonotactical constraints (or therefore impossible sounds).
(iii) kh is the arabic way of writing /x/ and lh is either an unvoiced L or a Welsh LL /ɬ/. So in the text that pops to mind, but isn't mentioned. If there is no evidence that they are pronounced /x/ and /ɬ/ then it might be worth mentioning in passing. --Squidonius (talk) 01:17, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

@ Red Mordor: A Welsh ll is sometimes approximated as th. Or fl. — kwami (talk) 08:28, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

An approximate IPA transcription, based on this description ("Khlûl’-hloo") and the non-IPA signs, would be [kʟ̝̊ʊlʔ.ɬuː]; also [kʟ̝̊ʊl.ʔuː] for klhul-hoo and [ɬʊʔ.lʊʔ] for tluhlu. --Omnipaedista (talk) 19:36, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Added image[edit]

Satirical poster from the 2010 Polish presidential election. The caption reads "Choose the greater evil. Vote for Cthulhu."

Added this image and caption. I know we need to beware of trivia, but I think it's worth having at least one image beside the napkin sketch. I chose this one because: it's outside the normal fiction genres, it's from a non-anglophone country, and it's visually impressive. — kwami (talk) 02:39, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Anthropomorphism[edit]

Is Cthulhu part "man" or is it just anthropomophic? I cannot find this description from the original work, only the imagination of the "human caricature".Gan Ye Hern (talk) 04:06, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

Cthulhu predates the evolution of the human species. Pretty sure that he could not himself be part human. 208.91.1.34 (talk) 04:33, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Not human at all...just vague human shape....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:23, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Grimoirium Imperium[edit]

The character Cthulhu originally appears in the Grimoirium Imperium attributed to Dr. John Dee which he claimed to have received in 1581 from a fraudulent medium named Barnabas Saul. A link to the original work can be found here [1]. The origin story of the entire Cthulhu mythos needs to be completely revamped to reflect the true origin story, but I lack the time to do so myself. The pdf link provided should have sufficient information to go on for anyone else so inclined. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.214.169.69 (talk) 08:56, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Lovecraft wrote on several occasions that Abdul Alhazred was completely fictional. Therefore this source, which says it is derived from the works of Abd Al-Hazred (another version of the same name) is also completely fictional. Removing from the article. --Ebyabe talk - Welfare State ‖ 09:41, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

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