Talk:D. James Kennedy Ministries

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See WP:TVSHOW copyvio checked Legacypac (talk) 21:24, 14 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

updates and edits needed

This article is outdated and needs multiple edits to be current--including its references to SPLC leadership. Morris Dees and Richard Cohen left in 2019.

I'm particularly concerned about the first paragraph of the entry which cites the SPLC "hate group" designation WITHOUT any indication of DJKM's vigorous rejection of the hate label. It's unclear why that explosive charge is allowed to stand alone without a DJKM denial. Is doing so consistent with Wikipedia standards? Standing as it now does, it's pejorative and demonstrates bias to simply list SPLC's judgment and to do so without providing DJKM's response.

I strongly recommend moving the SPLC charge out of the opening section and into the "defamation lawsuit dismissed" section where it can be addressed with a more even-handed elaboration. And that section also needs to be updated to include last week's U.S. Supreme Court action on the lawsuit.

As time permits, I'll present copy for possible insertion. Wikieditorjpa (talk) 21:06, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No, it's an important aspect of the article and belongs in the lead. Doug Weller talk 08:32, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Edit to provide balance in opening section.

Because the reference to the SPLC's "hate" allegation against DJKM appears in the second sentence of the entire entry without any response from DJKM, I urge that that the following be added to provide balance and context. Ideally, the SPLC allegation and DJKM response would be lower, within body of entry, but, if not, the DJKM response and action must, in in my view, be presented on par with the allegation. Here is the SPLC allegation sentence, and the response (citations to be added):

The group is listed as an anti-LGBT hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) due to statements and positions which the SPLC describes as falsely demeaning gay and lesbian people.

DJKM denies the SPLC allegation. “We do not hate anyone,” then-DJKM president and CEO Frank Wright wrote in a full-page ad placed in the South Florida Sun-Sentinel in 2017. “We have been falsely branded by the SPLC for nothing more than subscribing to the teachings of the historic Christian faith. We are a nonprofit ministry whose deeply held Christian convictions energize our mission to faithfully proclaim the gospel of Jesus Christ.” DJKM filed a federal defamation lawsuit against the SPLC in 2017. Both federal district and appellate courts denied the DJKM suit, ruling that the ministry failed to meet the "actual malice" standard which requires "public figures," such as DJKM, to show not just that an allegedly defamatory statement is false, but that it was made with "actual malice." In 2022, the U.S. Supreme Court refused to hear DJKM's appeal asking the Court to reconsider its "actual malice" standard adopted in its 1964 Rust v. Sullivan decision. Wikieditorjpa (talk) 21:10, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The only edit that might be missing in the lead is his loss of his lawsuit. The lawsuit itself is pretty clear evidence that he denies it. Doug Weller talk 08:32, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the supreme court decision should be added. I'm only hours home from major major surgery and too weak. Link.[1] Doug Weller talk 08:35, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]