Talk:Dalla Dalla

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24 hour view count

To those who keep editing the 24 hour view count to 17.1 million - which source are you using? The one linked only says 13.9 million. Lukestepford (talk) 15:07, 15 May 2019 (UTC)LukeStepford[reply]

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Reviewer: -ink&fables (talk · contribs) 01:41, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I will leave my first set of comments in 24 hours. -ink&fables «talk» 01:41, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()

3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()

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Infobox and lead

Add {{use mdy dates|date=July 2021}} after short description
Fixed EN-Jungwon 15:13, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Cover= parameter should only contain file name, remove intial File:
Fixed EN-Jungwon 15:13, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Add description of the cover image using alt= parameter [suggestion: An image with the stylized form of the Korean word "달라달라" (Dalla Dalla)]
Fixed EN-Jungwon 15:13, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Add caption
Fixed EN-Jungwon 15:13, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it is the digital cover of the song. According to the description provided by the uploader it is the logo, but using 'Logo' as the caption will not be a good idea. I think using 'Title card' will do. -ink&fables «talk» 06:55, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Done EN-Jungwon 14:48, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Please check and correct the release date; in the infobox it is (February 12, 2019) and in the first paragraph it is (February 10, 2019) while Billboard source says ("Monday, Feb. 11 in Korea")
Fixed EN-Jungwon 15:13, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This source [1] says that M/V was pre-released on February 11, while the song was released for digital download and streaming on February 12. -ink&fables «talk» 06:37, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed EN-Jungwon 14:49, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
2018 - 2019 → 2018–19
Fixed EN-Jungwon 15:13, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
iriver → Iriver [Iriver has been not sourced as a label anywhere in the article]
Removed as I could not find any source for it. EN-Jungwon 15:53, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Suggestion: Include a section on the background and release just before the Composition. As first paragraph in the lede talks about debut, B-side track, album, etc; so including a paragraph about them in the body of the article will be a good idea. Even a 4–5 line paragraph would suffice.
Working. EN-Jungwon 15:58, 3 July 2021 (UTC) Done EN-Jungwon 16:21, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Background and release

Unsourced: A remix version of the song was included on the group's debut extended play (EP), It'z Icy, which was released on July 29, 2019. It is the fourth track on the EP. On January 22, 2021, Itzy released their first English EP, Not Shy, which featured the English version of "Dalla Dalla". [This information was in the lead earlier, but I moved it to this section.] -ink&fables «talk» 07:00, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed EN-Jungwon 08:50, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Critical reception

Remove unused and repeated parameter | rev1score =
Removed EN-Jungwon 11:31, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Add a line which summarises the overall critical response. [Suggestion: "Dalla Dalla" received mixed reviews from music critics.]
Added EN-Jungwon 11:31, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Park also named it the "K-Pop Pick of the Day," saying it is a "solid opening bell of what is shaping up to be a long and interesting career." → Park added that the song is a "solid opening bell of what is shaping up to be a long and interesting career."

["K-Pop Pick of the Day" is just an introductory heading for the review. See 1 and 2]

Done EN-Jungwon 11:31, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Replace Lee Jeong-ho called the track a "fusion" of the "merits of various genres such as EDM, house, hip hop and so on." with adding content from IZM's review. [Reason: It is not like a review, but seems more like a description of the music composition, which has been already covered under the composition section. On the side note, IZM's review is very good and explanatory.]
- Suggestion: Start with - In a more negative review, IZM's Jeong Yeon-kyung...
Replaced EN-Jungwon 13:38, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Replace the 2nd paragraph with → Taylor Glasby from Dazed ranked it eighth on their list of 2019's best K-pop songs, writing the song "evokes two outlandish 90s moments: the wobbly bass of... "Flat Beat" and the brat-pop of... "Trouble"." He added, "Like the latter, "Dalla Dalla" owes more to its artists' personalities, and despite several coats of K-pop polish, embodies that same scrappy energy and ballsy confidence."
Replaced EN-Jungwon 11:31, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Year-end lists → "Dalla Dalla" on year-end lists
Done EN-Jungwon 11:31, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Critic/Publication → Publication
Done EN-Jungwon 11:31, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Remove Bugs listing from here [Can be added on the Year-end charts?]
Removed. I don't think it should be added to year-end list. Bugs is just a music streaming platform and charts like this aren't usually listed in that list. EN-Jungwon 11:31, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Remove YouTube listing also, add it in the prose form under the Music video section.
Removed EN-Jungwon 11:31, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Also remove Amazer listing [not notable enough]
Removed EN-Jungwon 11:09, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Commercial performance

Unsourced: It is the first debut song by a K-pop group to earn a platinum certification from KMCA since certificate's inception in April 2018. Cite a reliable source for reference. -ink&fables «talk» 07:00, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@-ink&fables, can i use this source? EN-Jungwon 07:32, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think so, it doesn't verifies the fact. -ink&fables «talk» 15:33, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Removed I couldn't find any sources that mentioned this fact. All the sources I found just mentioned that Taeyeon‘s “Four Seasons”, Itzy’s “Dalla Dalla”, N.Flying’s “Rooftop”, Jannabi’s “For Lovers Who Hesitate” and K.Will’s “Beautiful Moment” was certified. Nothing about "Dalla Dalla" being the first debut song to do so EN-Jungwon 15:56, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Awards

Melon Music Awards are not properly sourced. The cited article is about MAMA 2019. Replace it with a correct reference. -ink&fables «talk» 17:43, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I found this source which list all the nominees. ~~Not sure if the website is reliable or not.~~ EN-Jungwon 18:46, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed EN-Jungwon 01:41, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
If possible find a better source for Golden Disc Awards – Digital Daesang. -ink&fables «talk» 17:43, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
According to Golden Disc Awards § Categories the Daesang winner is selected from the list of Bonsang winners. So should we use the same reference for Digital Bonsang and Digital Daesang. I went through some other Wikipedia pages and found that some of them used the same source for both. EN-Jungwon 09:17, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
If that's the case, then same source can be used. -ink&fables «talk» 09:55, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed EN-Jungwon 10:35, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Music video and promotion

Check and verify: It became the most viewed debut music video in the first 24 hours by a K-pop group with 17.1 million views, beating the record set by TXT's "Crown" with 15.1 million views. The cited sources doesn't verify this statement. Please make necessary changes in this section and as well in the lead if the facts are false.

The billboard source does say "ITZY’s “Dalla Dalla,” released in February, currently holds the overall record with 17.1 million day-of debut views.". Is it not sufficient for this. EN-Jungwon 01:52, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Remove , beating the record set by TXT's "Crown" with 15.1 million views ["Crown" was not even released during the premiere of "Dalla Dalla", so how can it beat something non-existent at the time.] -ink&fables «talk» 02:20, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. Makes sense now EN-Jungwon 04:37, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Hi @EN-Jungwon: I have left few suggestions that will hopefully improve it further. I have stopped at the infobox but will leave additional comments once you add the suggested content. Please let me know if you disagree with anything proposed. -ink&fables «talk» 06:04, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @EN-Jungwon: I have thoroughly seen the article and found that only (but many) minor changes are required in prose and MoS. If you don't mind I can make those edits myself, as it will take more time to list each changes here. If you wish to make changes yourself, then also I am equally happy to list the changes.

I have left the comments for the critical reception section above to avoid any disagreement (as this section can be controversial sometimes). -ink&fables «talk» 07:50, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have no objections. I am still writing the Background and release section. I'll try to finish it this evening. Thank you so much for reviewing this article. This is my first GAN so I was a bit unsure about this nomination at first. EN-Jungwon 08:02, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @EN-Jungwon: I almost did an overhaul of the article. I would like you to read the article thoroughly, in case I have made a mistake or misunderstood something then please make necessary changes or discuss here. I will revise the article one more time and will close the review probably by tomorrow. -ink&fables «talk» 18:32, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'll go through the article and get back to you this evening UTC. Thanks for helping out with this article. EN-Jungwon 04:38, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@-ink&fables, I've gone through the article and found no major issues. I think it needs some copyediting which I'll request at GOCE. EN-Jungwon 16:28, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Passed: During the review period the article was improved from # to #; and in my consideration the article fulfils all the Good Article criteria. -ink&fables «talk» 17:30, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Gentle reminder

Just a reminder that we do not/should not use YouTube as a reference for music video releases. Secondary sources alone are sufficient. Oh, and Taylor Glasby from Dazed is a female writer, so it should be 'She' in the CR section, not 'He'. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 02:17, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Carlobunnie, thank you for this note. I didn't find any Youtube reference, but did find a Tumblr source which has been used to identify the directing team behind the music video. Is it of some concern. If yes, then please let me know. Thank you again. -ink&fables «talk» 03:39, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@-ink&fables: I thought the ref was citing the YouTube MV because its title said "Itzy Dalla Dalla MV". I see now that wasn't the case, as you've edited the reference info to show it's a Tumblr post, so you can disregard my comment. At least now you know to make sure that references are clarified as much as possible when you're reviewing, so there's no room for confusion in the future. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 03:55, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]