Talk:Daniel Zion

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A Messianic Jew? A Christian?

I have removed the references to Daniel Zion as a messianic Jew/Christian as the only evidence I can find for the claim is in missionary material on the web etc. Most published books note that he was an Orthodox rabbi.

{Kyuss2009 (talk) 11:19, 21 September 2009 (UTC))[reply]

Ok I have decided that it is worth noting that there are claims that DZ took on some form of Christian belief. Some of these claims are verifiable if someone has the Modern Hebrew and the inclination to go through the Kol Yisrael radio archives (if there are any) to find the actual quotes that missionary sites quote. Someone who knows Bulgarian should look at Daniel Zion's works and historical sources. I don't think we should believe everything in these missionary sites but there could be a core of truth in them. Whoever edits this article should be sensitive since DZ has relatives as I found out in the Israeli newspaper Haaretz.

(Kyuss2009 (talk) 15:37, 2 February 2010 (UTC))[reply]

I read about the claimed Christian beliefs of DZ in the '70s and tried to research the matter. At the time I was in close contact with someone who worked for Kol Yisrael and had access to its archives. She could not find any material regarding DZ. Of course, this does not mean that the claimed broadcast never happened. Someone may have decided to remove the material. However, some form of evidence other than claims from evangelical missionary organisations is needed. I propose to rephrase typical evangelical formulations such as "Jesus fulfilled the various messianic prophecies" which is lifted from standard missionary texts. It is difficult to believe that a learned man like DZ would ever have formulated it that way - even if he held sympathetic views of the Nazarene. I heard from Bulgarian Jews in Israel that DZ had a keen interest in other religions, especially Dunavism. It should be noted that Dunavism is a mystical syncretistic belief system. One of the observances of Dunavists seems to be to rise before dawn and meet in the countryside to greet the rising son. I do not need to mention that such neo-pagan or pseudo-pagan rituals may be fascinating to observe and research for someone of DZ's fascination with other religions but none of this implies that he was somehow a crypto-Christian.

I think that you have been overly generous to the original writer and much more fundamental edits are called for. I am not very familiar with the niceties and intricacies of Wikipedia editorial work but at least some SOURCE NEEDED annotations should be added and some of the clear evangelical missionary phraseology should be reformulated in a more neutral tone - unless of course these matters can substantiated with traceable non-missionary sources. AJWittenberg (talk) 15:40, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]