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Suicide note discussion page claims that the note was much longer.

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I am changing the time 'do himself in' to commit suicide as it is a coloquial term that is innapropriate in an encyclopedia.

I believe he also included the lyrics to "Life Eternal" with his suicide note. If I can find the reference to this I will include it

I like how he used to smell the dead raven! Mmmm Hmmm! Does anyone else know of any strange things "Dead" used to do? This could somewhat enrich the artical.

Edit: He did include the lyrics to "Life Eternal" in the suicide note. One of the band's members (I don't rembmber which one, but I think Necrobutcher) confirmed that in an interview for the Swedish metal book "Blod Eld Död". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonvar (talk • contribs) 15:52, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I doubt that to be true, since I know the early phase pretty well, only heard of that rumour once, and none of the other members seems to have mentioned this (Euronymous should have if it was true); so, if you find that book, write something like “In an interview for the Swedish book Blod eld död, Necrobutcher stated that Dead’s suicide note included the lyrics to Life Eternal”, followed by a footnote. --217/83 14:23, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Inner Circle reference

For one, the very existence of the so-called Inner Circle has been has been dismissed by many members of the black metal scene as a media invention. In any event, if there was an 'Inner Circle' I seriously doubt Dead was part of it as he committed suicide well before most of the infamous events that took place during the early 90's in Norway occurred.

This discussion, I feel, should be brought up at the discussion page on Black Metal Inner Circle. That page claims that not only did the Inner Circle exist, but Dead was a part of it. The part (you?) removed didn't have any references, so it's perhaps best to cut it for now. However, to solve the debate, we should get reliable sources on whether the Inner Circle existed or not. Right now, Black Metal Inner Circle references two books:

* Baddeley, Gavin (1999). Lucifer Rising: Sin, Devil Worship and Rock and Roll

* Moynihan, Micheal and Didrik Soderlind (1998). Lords of Chaos: The Bloody Rise of the Satanic Metal Underground

These both (apparently) support the idea that an Inner Circle did exist. If this view is to be disputed, then sources more concrete than 'many members of the black metal scene' should be dug up. In any case, I think efforts should be focused on the Inner Circle article and then, if consensus is reached, rewrite the Inner Circle parts of individual artists. Tritec 20:13, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good job whoever put the box on this page, I tried to do it myself put couldn't as I don't know how to. And yeah it is quite interesting that he smelt dead ravens on stage! Imagine what it smelt like! - Ryan

How could Euronymous have found him 4 days before he died? someone should recheck that source and see if it is supposed to be april 18th instead of 8th. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.189.217.187 (talk) 02:38, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Article Picture

Is that really the best picture for the page? Arthulian (talk) 23:42, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Assuming you were speaking of the suicide photo from Dawn of the Black Hearts, I have the same question. Why is a postmortem photo being used for the man's biography page, when there are plenty of live photos of Ohlin? This seems akin to using an image of Kennedy's head being shot open as the main photograph for his page. Place the "Dawn of the Black Hearts" picture within the article if you want, but it just seems a bit much to have this be the only picture of Ohlin. Taurnufuin (talk) 20:45, 13 July 2008 (EST)

Probably because it is easily the most famous picture of him. And given who he was, it seems the most fitting- it wouldn't make much sense to have some happy-happy picture of a guy who did what he did. But that's just a guess. Mønster av Arktisk Vinter Kvelden (talk) 08:50, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, right, but there's still plenty of other pictures of him in concert and in corpse paint (and cutting himself whilst doing so, if you feel the need to get graphic), of him doing what he did while he was alive - the things, that is, that give any cause to remember him. Taurnufuin (talk 14:31, 12 August 2008 (EST) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.228.167.186 (talk)

I removed the picture. I of course, understand and respect the fact that he very likely wouldn't have taken issue with it, but it's not necessary for a main picture for a biography article on an encylopedia, and hence inappropriate for the casual observer. Dark Prime (talk) 16:06, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have a very good picture of Dead that I think would be good for this page, though it does have some blood in it. It's of dead staring at the camera sideways, with his hands up, with his corpse paint (better than in new picture, I think), with blood running down his arm (from self-mutilation). I think that showing a darker-looking, more violent and metal picture of Dead would be more suiting. Does anyone object? TheBlackMages (talk) 00:53, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, as long as it meets the fair use critera, feel free to upload it. Perhaps you could upload a decent picture of Euronymous too? Thanks in advance. ~Asarlaí 02:05, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

De Mysteriis

I am not questioniong that he wrote lyrics for De Mysteriis. I am questioning the (unsourced) claim that he wrote the majority of the lyrics to De Mysteriis. I have no particular axe to grind, it's just currently unsourced and therefore sloppy. Feel free to stick back in with a reliable source. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 03:01, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Would the liner notes be enough? That's what the CD booklet says, he wrote the lyrics to every song except the title track, which was the work of Attila. Mønster av Arktisk Vinter Kvelden (talk) 23:57, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Which edition of De Mysteriis says that? My copy (the one released by Century Black) has no such information. (User:Taurnufuin) 15:35, 11 January 2008 (EST)

Seems that they got the liner notes wrong - see the De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas talk page for more info. Temple-of-Monkeys (talk) 10:06, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Skogskyrkogården

This page's got it all backwards. He is buried at Österhaninge kyrkogård, but he was cremated in Skogskrematoriet (which is at Skogskyrkogården). I've been to his grave myself, so I know that he is buried at Österhaninge kyrkogård. I'm changing it now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Knoken (talk • contribs) 16:12, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Roadrunner Records ranking

I don't think it is necessary to refer to a random ranking by an unrelated major label in the page description. Am I the only one unhappy about this? If the information is in some way relevant, please tell me in which. Eelfroth (talk) 20:09, 2 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t consider it to be relevant either, but would rather wait for a third opinion. --217/83 20:44, 2 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in Per "Dead" Ohlin

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Per "Dead" Ohlin's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "sam":

From Black metal: Dunn, Sam (2005). Metal: A Headbanger's Journey (motion picture). Seville Pictures.
From Early Norwegian black metal scene: Sam Dunn (director) (2005). Metal: A Headbanger's Journey (motion picture). Seville Pictures. {{cite AV media}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |trans_title= (help)

Reference named "murdermusic":

From Early Norwegian black metal scene: Michael Dome (director) (2007). Murder Music: Black Metal (motion picture). Rockworld TV. {{cite AV media}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |trans_title= (help)
From Murder Music: A History of Black Metal: Kenny, David (Director) (April 13, 2007). Murder Music: A History of Black Metal (television). United Kingdom: ShashMedia.
From Euronymous: Michael Dome (director) (2007). Murder Music: Black Metal (motion picture). Rockworld TV. {{cite AV media}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |trans_title= (help)
From Black metal: Dome, Michael (2007). Murder Music: Black Metal (motion picture). Rockworld TV.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 19:52, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done. ~Asarlaí 21:14, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in Per "Dead" Ohlin

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Per "Dead" Ohlin's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "soundsofdeath":

From Euronymous: Sounds of Death magazine (1998): Hellhammer interview
From De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas: Dan Zimmer: Interview with Hellhammer taken from Sounds Of Death Magazine.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 07:30, 30 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Personality

I think that he might suffer from oppressed type of Self-defeating personality disorder. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GiovanniAnton (talk • contribs) 11:18, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Too difficult to give long-distance diagnose. Anyway his state of mind severely was aggravated by Oystein, who obviuously had a pathological absence of empathy. And greed for money and "fame" (if one an call it fame in that tiny group of BM fans...). Very interesting though, that the mental disorder of Oystein is not really analysed. Sure because the "bad nazi" killed him. Victim of nazi - always saint and beyond criticisms.

Corpse picture

There seems to be some offense taken to the image of his corpse shown on the article presented in the form of the Dawn of the Black Hearts cover art. I don't see anything wrong with it, the image is of a real dead body, yes, but it's a very iconic image. I reverted another uyser trying to remove it already. Just leaving my thoughts here on the matter because I find that it illustrates a good portion of the article significantly. Second Skin (talk) 17:20, 18 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Someone else is now removing claiming it violates WP:NFCC, well this is wrong because first of all, assuming copyright for a bootleg album cover simply does not exist, and it also has significant illustration for the content of the article due to high historical importance. I really hope this answers question why the image should stay. Second Skin (talk) 23:17, 26 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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