Talk:Dona Sarkar

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Notability concerns have not been addressed since being raised several months ago.

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Third Party Neutral Sources Needed[edit]

A PR post from Microsoft is not a neutral third party source. Some of the other sources seem to be from Wordpress blogs pretending to be a new site (IE fake news). Subject might be non-notable with lack of enough neutral third party citations. Someone please fix, thanks. Orion Blastar (talk) 22:16, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You're seriously accusing her and Microsoft of lying and fake news just because you don't like the fact that there's a woman in charge of something? This has to be a new low. 5.151.210.248 (talk) 16:10, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Merger[edit]

There is no indication that Dona Sarkar has any particular notability. The current article mentions when she ran the Windows Insider software testing group at Microsoft, where she studied computer science, and then everything else in the article is about the testing program, not about her in particular. --Macrakis (talk) 23:29, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose/Delete: The article has nothing pertinent to the Windows Insider that isn't already there. If this person does not meet the notability requirements, delete the article. flowing dreams (talk page) 06:44, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. I think that will be the effect of merging. --Macrakis (talk) 13:19, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Has she changed positions yet?[edit]

@Flowing dreams: According to the MS blog [1], she is no longer active in the Windows Insider group: "In the meantime, I and the Insider crew (including Brandon, Jennifer, Blair, Jason, Vivek, Eddie) look forward to continuing to engage with you each week as we ship new builds." --Macrakis (talk) 16:46, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Macrakis: Hello. You seem to have said two contraditory things: "she is no longer active in the Windows Insider group" and "look forward to continuing to engage"! But don't worry; corporate blogs are like that; sometimes deliberately. The thing to which you must pay attention is: Microsoft has not announced a replacement yet. Therefore, unless the evidences say otherwise, it means she is the chief right now, although her authority is probably diminished. (If I remember correctly, after resignation Steve Ballmer said during his last week as the CEO in Microsoft he spent time watching Netflix! That's diminished authority.)

Another important thing: Microsoft blogs are corporate PR products; they try to shine a positive light on everything, even negative. In this case, Eran Megiddo spends one and half a paragraph apparently praising Dona Sarkar and then says he is "proud to announce" that she is leaving. You must not hold much value in primary sources. flowing dreams (talk page) 06:56, 12 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There is no contradiction. It's pretty clear that she's no longer part of that group: "[Megiddo] and the Insider crew (including Brandon, Jennifer, Blair, Jason, Vivek, Eddie) look forward to continuing to engage with you" -- Sarkar is not on that list. --Macrakis (talk) 13:12, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Aha! So, you think because she does not "look forward to continuing to engage", "she is no longer active in the Windows Insider group", right? In that case, this is not what you wrote in the article. You didn't right "she is no longer active"; instead, you changed the article's present tense ("is") to past tense ("was") to indicate that she is no longer part of the group, be it looking forward or not looking forward.

I think that's exactly why MOS:PRESENT says not to use the past tense. When she finally left the Windows Insider team, the article should say "Dona Sarkar is the former head of ...". flowing dreams (talk page) 06:36, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Fine, I have no problem with that wording. I don't see any contradiction in the article, though. --Macrakis (talk) 13:26, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

BLP violation[edit]

I see some editor has made a couple of very biased edits to the article, in violation of Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. [2]

This biased edit:

Censors Dona's role in the Insider program, as well as the mention of her flops
Exaggeratedly praises Dona, laden with inline external links and weasel words, without a single source. For example:

One of her most notable projects ...

She is a notable public speaker

...on hundreds of stages around the world...

So, I guess we all know how this is going to turn out: I and the other editor edit-war, one or two admins probably try to scold us both (the way underpaid schoolmasters do) without any results, there will be page locking, IP blocking, block evading, etc., until one of us gets tired. Of course, we can discuss it like adults too, and I'm eager to do so too. But let's face it, this is not gonna happen. After all, what percentage of Wikipedia discussions are like that? 164.138.147.18 (talk) 16:58, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Notability[edit]

This person does not seem to meet Notability guidelines. One of their roles at Microsoft is public-facing and of some note, but their work within that role does not meet the criteria given for Creative Professionals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:600:107:1474:7947:9649:C388:9DB (talk) 20:46, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]