Talk:Drumheller

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Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Alberta which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. 117Avenue (talk) 00:47, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Population

We had an unsourced claim that Drum's population soared to 30,000 in the coal mining days, but two editors changed it to 3,000. While the City of Drumheller's population did in fact only reach 3000, other towns in the valley also had sizable populations (e.g. Wayne alone had 2500). I think the original comment of 30,000 was referring to the entire valley. It doesn't really make sense to say Drum 'exploded to 3000' because that isn't really an explosion (it has more people now!) The problem is I can't find a ref for 30,000 (or even a list of the populations of all the towns where they could be added up). --24.64.220.220 (talk) 15:36, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

With Drumheller's population being 312 in 1916, one could describe growth to 2,987 by 1931 as an explosion as it is a 857% increase over 15 years.[1] However, I'm never fond of using terms like explosion at all as they are POV-based.

A suitable resolution would be to find a reference that confirms the 30,000 estimate for the valley and then re-adding the content, but relating the content to the valley, not Drumheller on its own.

I have listings of populations by municipalities and unincorporated communities from StatCan federal censuses back to 1941. By adding those communities (Drumheller, East Coulee, Lehigh, Nacmine, Newcastle, Rosedale, and Wayne) that had populations published in the 1941 census, I arrive at a minimum 1941 population of 7,278 in the valley. I don't know if earlier population data exists for unincorporated communities from the 1931 StatCan census. Hwy43 (talk) 20:23, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Also bear in mind that what is incorporated as 'Drumheller' today actually includes all of those little towns like Nacmine, Midland, East Coolee, etc. so it makes sense to talk about the population of the valley. I'm sure there are lots of books about the history of the valley that would have this info. --24.64.220.220 (talk) 22:03, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It is recognized that Drumheller went through a series of annexations over the years that absorbed neighbouring unincorporated communities capped by the eventual amalgamation in 1998. However at this point in history, these events had yet to occur. Hwy43 (talk) 22:11, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that is my point. Today's "Drumheller corporate limits" includes those former towns of Nacmine, East Coulee, Wayne, etc. So it seems notable to discuss the fact that in the coal mining boom days those towns each had large populations (Wayne had over 1000 people, but today has something like 50). --24.64.220.220 (talk) 03:36, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category 'Towns in Alberta'

(moved from my talk page)

Regarding your edits to Drumheller. Please know that the article is already in the Drumheller category, which is itself in the Towns in Alberta category, thus the article is still in the Towns in Alberta category, and does not need to be added. Regarding your edits to User talk:Steam5, please assume good faith, and don't template the regulars. If you have any questions about the actions of the regulars, please don't hesitate to ask, and open up conversation. 117Avenue (talk) 04:31, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm actually a regular here too - I have a few thousand edits and have been here since 2006. I just choose to edit my hometown until my ip address rather than my username.

Anyway, if you check the editing history you'll see that Steam5 didn't leave an edit comment for his edit, and then when I queried it on his talk page he just reverted my edit! That is very rude and not in keeping with wikipedia. I naturally assumed from those actions that it was a bad faith edit. It was only after I put the warning into his page that I discovered he has 18,000 edits and is a reviewer. Very odd.

Anyway, thanks for your explanation. However I'm not convinced about the wisdom of this. First of all, if you check the pages for the towns of Okotoks and Banff you'll see they are in both their own subcategory as well as 'towns of alberta'. So you are saying those will need to be changed as well? What is the policy for this? I see that many towns are in multiple categories, so it makes sense to place Drumheller in 'towns of alberta' as well as the 'drumheller' category. --24.64.220.220 (talk) 14:56, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If the "Towns in Alberta" category is removed from this article in favour of the "Drumheller" subcategory (which is nested under "Towns in Alberta"), then the articles for the four other towns should be treated the same way (Athabasca, Banff, Okotoks, and Raymond). Hwy43 (talk) 15:32, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This is also how the cities in Alberta are done. 117Avenue (talk) 20:03, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

So are you going to remove the duplicate categories for the four other towns since you reverted the duplicate category contribution here? By deleting it here and not deleting the same the on the other four, incidental mixed messages are being sent when comparing to the "Cities in Alberta" category. Hwy43 (talk) 06:42, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I didn't actually check, I just thought you would. 117Avenue (talk) 07:09, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Hwy43 (talk) 07:06, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Rosedale Station

@Hwy43: Just saw this diff, and ended up here. What is the difference between Rosedale, Alberta and Rosedale Station, Alberta? My first thought was that they are different names for the same place, as often happened then, but Drumheller#History treats them like different places. 117Avenue (talk) 01:12, 12 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure, though not unprecedented. There is Pincher Station (once Pincher City) and Pincher Creek, which are a few miles apart, and as is similar with Welling, Alberta and Welling Station. Could very well be what happened here too. I think there are others, but they are escaping me at present. Hwy43 (talk) 06:29, 12 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

So is Drumheller#History correct? 117Avenue (talk) 05:59, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]