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On 20 November 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to East West Rail Line. The result of the discussion was not moved.

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Project newsletters

On 24 June, User:FFM784 deleted the Project Newsletters, citing policy WP:ELNO. To my mind, these are valuable historical documents of significant interest and deletion of this list seems to me to be an unduly harsh interpretation of the policy. So I am opening this discussion to see if there is a consensus in favour or against retention. (For the convenience of editors, I have appended the list and added the most recent issue.) I will notify WP:WikiProject UK Railways. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 16:42, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reinstate for reasons already given. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 16:42, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Include. I'm not seeing what part of ELNO is relevant here - they are clearly appropriate official information that supplements the encyclopaedia article. It would be ideal to link to a directory/index of the newsletters rather than the long list of individual ones if such exists (I've not looked), but if it doesn't exist then the long list is better than nothing. Thryduulf (talk) 17:01, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

East West Rail Alliance (Atkins Lang O'Rourke, NetworkRail, VolkerRail) project newsletters

- EWR Alliance, ed. (April 2020). "EWR2 Project Newsletter – April 2020".
- Cuzner, Mark, ed. (July 2020). "EWR2 Project Newsletter – July 2020". East West Rail Alliance.
- ——, ed. (October 2020). "EWR2 Project Newsletter – Autumn 2020". East West Rail Alliance.
- ——, ed. (January 2021). "EWR2 Project Newsletter – Winter 2020/2021". East West Rail Alliance.
- ——, ed. (April 2021). "EWR2 Project Newsletter – Spring 2021". East West Rail Alliance.
- ——, ed. (August 2021). "EWR2 Project Newsletter – Summer 2021". East West Rail Alliance.
- ——, ed. (November 2021). "EWR2 Project Newsletter – Autumn 2021". East West Rail Alliance.
- ——, ed. (February 2022). "EWR2 Project Newsletter – Winter 21/22". East West Rail Alliance.
- ——, ed. (May 2022). "EWR2 Project Newsletter – Spring 2022". East West Rail Alliance.
- ——, ed. (September 2022). "EWR2 Project Newsletter – Summer/Autumn 2022". East West Rail Alliance.
- ——, ed. (April 2023). "EWR2 Project Newsletter – Spring 2023". East West Rail Alliance.
- ——, ed. (August 2023). "EWR2 Project Newsletter – Summer 2023". East West Rail Alliance.
- James, Mark, ed. (31 May 2024). "EWR2 Project Newsletter – Spring/Summer 2024" (PDF). East West Rail Alliance.

𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 16:42, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, WP:ELNO is clear stating:

Sites that have been used as sources in the creation of an article should be cited in the article and linked as references, either in-line or in a references section. Links to these source sites are not external links for the purposes of this guideline, and should not normally be duplicated in an external links section..

As it stands, there are seven instances where these newslatters are being used as cites, therefore per the policy these should not be repeated in the external links section. If the ones not yet used as cites can be used to improve the article, great, but dare I say, some may just reinforce what is already covered by other more reliable (i.e. WP:SECONDARY) cites. Weshmakui (talk) 03:48, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Islip

@Historicallibrarian: Just to clarify that, although what 10mmsocket says is true (that there are no plans for East West Rail Company trains to stop at Islip), that does not mean that services to Islip will cease. EWRCo trains are to be "semi-fast" but that does not mean that the Chiltern Railway stopping service will cease. There is a similar case regarding the stops on the Bletchley–Bedford section. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 10:42, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good point, thankyou for clarifying. That's why I reverted the addition of Islip to the article as (currently) it has no relevance. 10mmsocket (talk) 14:28, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It maybe best to delete the stopping pattern table entirely until the actual timetable has been published. Historicallibrarian (talk) 16:54, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes per WP:CRYSTAL. Good idea. 10mmsocket (talk) 17:20, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree (and tried before but at least then it was cited back to the EWRCo website, though IMO it was only indicative). Please go ahead and delete it. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 18:26, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bedford Town Area Constructional Impact Assessment

This has been released by East West Rail Consortium as said by Bedford Today, see here. Difficultly north (talk) Time, department skies 11:46, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The document is really just a preliminary engineering assessment of what works might be needed. Maybe worth adding to the External Links but a bit wp:crystal right now, also far too detailed for this article (IMO anyway). 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 14:15, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

100mph

Where should it be added that the top speed of the line is 100mph? This is according to the various sources of trains testing. Difficultly north (talk) Time, department skies 20:18, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Top design speed or top live running speed? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 20:31, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Network Rail, for example, reports the top speed as 100mph as seen here but whether this is design speed or not is unclear. Regardless I've added an infobox now. Difficultly north (talk) Time, department skies 20:49, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is it 100 mph throughout, or just on certain sections? I can't imagine that the junctions at Oxford and Bletchley would be laid for 100 mph. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:45, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And anyone who has ever ridden on the Bletchley to Bedford Marston Vale Line would find it hard to believe they'd exceed 60 mph on that track, so it's clear a lot of work will need to be done. 10mmsocket (talk) 22:20, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rolling stock on Western Section

Where did the info about rolling stock come from? Last I read, EWRCo had invited letters of interest for new designs? but in any case, surely it is WP:CRYSTAL vio to report anything before the start of services. (Surely nobody put the test trains in the infobox, did they?) 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 18:51, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm glad you asked. It's puzzling me too. 10mmsocket (talk) 22:45, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There was news a couple of years ago about 10 Class 196s being leased from LNWR for this and the rolling stock of the 168s and 165s all being on the Oxford to Bicester section. Difficultly north (talk) Time, department skies 12:04, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oxford to Bicester

Probably too early to ask this but when at least the Oxford to Bletchley section opens, should this be merged into here or moved to say "Oxford to Bletchley line"? Difficultly north (talk) Time, department skies 12:06, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]