Talk:Eastern Algonquian languages

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Unsourced material on "Etchemin" and "Loup"[edit]

The 'Notes' following the list of languages contain a variety of unsourced material on Loup and Etchemin. Most of the comments appear to originate in Ives Goddard, 1978, "Eastern Algonquian Languages," Handbook of North American Indians, Vol. 15. I will provide references, and reorganize some of the text.

But there are some statements that appear to be speculative, or at least I have not been able to find a reference, such as:

Certain intriguing similarities between the Etchimin list and Wampanoag might suggest that languages closely related to Wampanoag might have been spoken as far north as the coast of Maine in the precontact period.

If there is a reference out there, it would be good to have. I wasn't able to find support for this statement in the standard references, so it should probably be deleted.

John Jomeara421 (talk) 05:02, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


1. References added throughout.

2. Opening paragraphs revised and expanded.

3. Separate section called "Background" created for material citing Rudes. The material here does not seem very relevant but removing it might be excessive.

4. A section on "Eastern Algonquian as a Genetic Subgroup" has been added.

Notes on “Family Division” Section

This section is renamed “Classification,” which seems more meaningful.

Similarly “Notes” has been changed to “Notes on Classification,” and the material reorganized.

There are some unsupported classifications in the list of Eastern Algonquian languages as it exists, and these have been corrected:

a. "Mohegan-Montauk-Narragansett” seems to be an error (apparently found in Ethnologue). The Wikipedia entry for this language needs to be corrected as well.
b. Related to a, Narragansett is usually considered a separate language (Goddard 1978, Eastern Algonquian languages, Handbook of North American Indians, Vol. 15) closely related to Massachusett, or part of a Massachusett-Narragansett dialect complex (Goddard, Handbook of North American Indians, Vol. 17, 1996, “Introduction”). The former is used here (see also Costa, cited in (d) below).
c. Mohegan-Montauk-Pequot is treated as a unit, consistent with Costa, 2007, Papers of the Algonquian Conference, “The Dialectology of Southern New England Algonquian”
d. Piscataway is usually treated as part of Nanticoke (Goddard 1978)

John Jomeara421 (talk) 04:15, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Eastern US native languages and European neolithic languages.[edit]

If, as has been surmised, neolithic European tribes skirted the edge of Ice age ice and got to the NE coast of America, are there any links between, say, Ugric or Basque and the NE native American languages? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:59, 6 May 2012 (UTC)