Talk:Edmund Beaufort, 2nd Duke of Somerset

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Is he the 1st or 2nd Duke of Somerset?[edit]

The son of John Baufort, 1st Earl of Somerset, with the same name John Beaufort is said to be the 1st Duke of Somerset (see there).

So why Edmund should be the 1st? The page "Edmund Beaufort, 2nd Duke of Somerset" ist redirected to "Edmund Beaufort, 1st Duke of Somerset". Is that correct?

The title Duke of Somerset was created twice, in 1443 and 1448 (as well as some other times). Each time the title is created/recreated, the numbering starts again from one.Richard75 18:57, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Despite the fact that this title was created twice in five years, I have moved the article back to Edmund Beaufort, 2nd Duke of Somerset because both of his successors are listed by the numbers "3rd" and "4th" suggesting that Edmund is the 2nd Duke. Most histories I have read about the family note him as the second duke, even if the DNB names him the first duke. His title was granted as a successor of his brother's title and thus he should be the 2nd duke of Somerset. If you disagree, then you must also move the two other dukes Henry Beaufort, 3rd Duke of Somerset and Edmund Beaufort, 4th Duke of Somerset as they are a part of the same second creation. Cheers.
Darius von Whaleyland, Great Khan of the Barbarian Horde 20:25, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Since he is listed as the second first Duke of Somerset, I think the article should tell us when he was created Duke. J S Ayer (talk) 14:11, 29 March 2011 (UTC)


It says "[[Edmund Beaufort, 4th Duke of Somerset|Edmund Beaufort, styled 3th Duke of Somerset]]". Should "3th" be 3rd or 4th? Art LaPella (talk) 03:07, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Resolved: Art LaPella (talk) 23:49, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Aren't John of Gaunt and Katherine Swyndford his paternal great-grandparents as appose to grandparents? His paternal grandfather was the 1st John Beaufort. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:34, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, ignore my uninformed piece of rubbish above. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:39, 13 August 2009 (UTC)