Talk:Enthalpy of vaporization
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- 1 About the section "physical model for vaporization"
- 2 Water values
- 3 Webelements says for Radium:
- 4 Enthalpy and heat
- 5 Definition
- 6 Title change
- 7 Proportional to melting point?
- 8 Units Consistency
- 9 N/A's
- 10 Value for Hafnium not consistent
- 11 heat is no source of energy
- 12 Determination of the latent heat
- 13 Inconsistencies and ambiguities
- 14 Why energy as function of T discontinuous?
- 15 Reference for "Enthalpy of Vaporization"
- 16 Confusion between values Fusion and Vaporization
- 17 explicitize symbol meanings and units
- 18 Inconsistent values in table of elements
- 19 Hydrogen strange in Other common substances
- 20 Why is the table of elements there ?
- 21 Is/should this be about temperatures away from boiling/condensing
About the section "physical model for vaporization"
Please note, that the same expression for enthalpy of vaporization was already derived in the article in Russian Physical Chemistry Journal in 1983. You can see this article on http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Surface_tension_.pdf. There r is the latent heat of vaporization, σ is the surface tension. In fact, the only difference between these two expressions is use of 3 instead of π in the Russian paper.
Please, edit this section accordingly.
There are two values for water posted on this page, 40.8 kj/mol and 40.65 kj/mol. Could someone verify the correct value, or explain the differences?
Webelements says for Radium:
Enthalpy of vaporization [/kJ mol-1]: about 125 and not 37! doesn't that sound more plausible? Malbi
I think water should be included too. Andries 15:27, 31 May 2004 (UTC)
- Yes, go ahead, please; also in the water article.--Patrick 21:15, 31 May 2004 (UTC)
- done, although I dunno much about the subject and feel uncertain. Andries 20:42, 3 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Enthalpy and heat
I think the word "heat" should be replaced by "enthalpy". It is more suitable and more accurate.
Heat of vaporization is a quantity that exists at conditions other than only standard pressure.--Renier Maritz 17:13, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
Physchim62 has changed the title of this article without discussion here, and despite the fact that opposition to a change from the most common English name of this quantity by changing "heat" to "enthalpy".
Physchim62 has also ignored the fact pointed out by Renier Maritz above, and has created a title of more limited scope by adding the word "standard" to the title. The article, however, remains written in the more general sense.
This name change needs to be undone. I don't have time to take care of the redirects right now, but intend to do it later unless someone else does it before I get to it. Of course, the same problem applies to heat of fusion. Gene Nygaard 14:54, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
Proportional to melting point?
Just looking at the list it seems that the heat of fusion is correlated with the melting or boiling point. Is there a theory/formula connecting the two? njh 11:20, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
Wikipedia should make it's units consistent for physical properties. The pages on specific heat, heat of vaporization, and heat of fusion all have different units. That is, grams, kilograms, and moles all used which makes comparisons all the more difficult.
The units in the table of latent heat in the latent heat article are J/g. The units in the table for latent heat of vaporization kJ/kg. However the values for water are 2272 and 2260 respectively. So, according to wikipedia the latent heat of vaporization is both 2272 J/g and 2260 kJ/kg. How? The true value is 2259.36 J/g.Antinoah (talk) 02:53, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Some of the elements marked N/A (e.g. Actinium) and ??? (e.g., Terbium) have heats of vaporization added in these infoboxes. Why are they listed there and not here? --Geoffrey 21:21, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
Value for Hafnium not consistent
Although the difference is minor, there is a discrepency between this page and the information page of Hafnium about the enthalpy of vaporization (571 vs 575 kJ/mol). Also webelements gives a complete other value: 630 kJ/mol. I don't know which is the better value, I just noticed the difference. --Paul 14:55, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
heat is no source of energy
energy could be gotten from the mass of an atom.thus ,mass of an atom of an element is the determinant of energy content of any substance.the more an atom of an element the more the collision which then increase the kinetic energy of an atom. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 18:16, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
Determination of the latent heat
I'm preparing a work for the university (i'm a student) about how to obtain the variation of enthalpy of vaporization of liquids like water and alcohols, if somebody thinks this interesting, i can explain three easy and cheap methods for that. Tell me what you think! --Pedvi (talk) 16:50, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Inconsistencies and ambiguities
In the periodic table data, the definition of a mole is unclear. The diatomic gases, for example, have values that are half those one finds for the same gases on their respective pages. For hydrogen, the table gives 449.36 J/mol while the hydrogen page gives (slightly more than) twice that, 904 J/mol. (Which is the more accurate value?) Similarly, nitrogen in the periodic table shows 2.7928 kJ/mol and the nitrogen page gives 5.56 kJ/mol. Since vaporization doesn't rupture the diatomics' bonds, it seems odd to put this data in this way, but I can see the difficulty in trying to make the entire table consistent. At least it should be made prominently clear that the data in the table is for one mole of atoms, not molecules. Some data in the table clearly needs to be corrected, the value for sulfur given is dramatically low, 1.7175 kJ/mol, as compared with 45 kJ/mol on the sulfur page. I assume that the value given for phosphorus is for white phosphorus (P₄) - which should be noted since that isn't the thermodynamically stable allotrope. Gadolinist (talk) 19:14, 19 June 2009 (UTC) Why doesn't the data in this table agree with that in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heats_of_vaporization_of_the_elements_%28data_page%29? --188.8.131.52 (talk) 12:49, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
Why energy as function of T discontinuous?
I asked a similar question on the enthalpy of fusion talk page, but got no answer. Can someone explain why at the point of vaporization, the kinetic energy of the molecules stop increasing (assuming T ∝ KE) and only potential energy w.r.t to intermolecular forces increases?
- If you have a liquid and vapor in equilibrium at the boiling point, then they are at the same temperature. Hence, as you say, T ∝ KE, and so the kinetic energies are equal. Dezaxa (talk) 05:56, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
Reference for "Enthalpy of Vaporization"
Can someone provide a reliable source to the use of the term "Enthalpy of Vaporization" over "Heat of Vapourization". I've gone through all of my thermodynamic texts and I can't find any that use this term. There may be reason for referring to the term in the body of the article, but to have the title of the article use a term that no one in the real world uses seems . . . odd. At this point, without a reliable source, this nomenclature would seem to be a personal point of view and might even be classified as original research. I am not going to get involved in an edit war, so I will not make any change.John G Eggert (talk) 13:09, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
- The standard chemical engineering textbook (Poling et al. "The properties of liquids and gases")uses Enthalpy all the time. "Heat" is a familiar everyday word, but it is not thermodynamically precise. I'm too new here to have an opinion whether to go for precision or familiarity... AlanParkerFrance (talk) 12:19, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
Confusion between values Fusion and Vaporization
Hello. English is not my mother tongue, so be indulgent.
Some of values in table is for fusion, not for vaporization. Example for S : 1,7175 = fusion, 45 is for vaporization like write in sulfur under "Heat of vaporization". But since I'm not sure, I prefer not to correct. For exemple, i'm not sure that "enthalpy" is same that "heat". Jerome66 (talk) 13:48, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
explicitize symbol meanings and units
Reader comment: the background section is hard to follow since the symbols in the formula are not explained nor are their units given. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 13:47, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
Inconsistent values in table of elements
By following some individual element links in the table of elements, some of the values don't match their respective elements page. Sulfur and oxygen definitely don't- it looks like sulfur somehow got connected to its enthalpy of fusion (rather than vaporization) and oxygen switches between per atom and per diatomic mole (or some other factor of two). Overall, this table could use some fact checking. Its not at all clear to me how to edit it so I don't want to take this on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ericksonla (talk • contribs) 13:17, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
Hydrogen strange in Other common substances
In the table most are compounds so mole is unambiguous. Hydrogen seems to be treated as atoms rather than the more natural/useful/consistent H2 molecules. The 460 should be doubled ? and When/why are Iron and Aluminium useful in this table ? Compare with Latent_heat#Table_of_specific_latent_heats - Rod57 (talk) 12:17, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
Why is the table of elements there ?
Do chemists use Enthalpy of vapourisation per atom in their calculations ? To whom/when is the enthapy of vapourisation of elements to atoms (rather than gas molecules) useful ? - Rod57 (talk) 12:28, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
Vapour deposition of various metals is used in precision manufacturing --- some semiconductor processes, some dichroic filter processes, preparation of specimens for ultramicroscopy... and Enthalpy of vaporisation also means radiant heat of condensation, which informs how much time it'll take for layers of the right depth to form at given vapor pressures, and what pressures you can use without, for instance, melting the substrate. Jcmckeown (talk) 17:52, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
Is/should this be about temperatures away from boiling/condensing
[Latent] heat of boiling can be measured at a wide range of temperatures (by varying the pressure). Is this enthalpy of vapourisation trying to deal with non-boiling situations - eg. evaporation and dew formation at non boiling temperatures ? If so, each substance has a EoV value for all pressure temperature combinations ? - Rod57 (talk) 12:36, 29 April 2017 (UTC)