Talk:Estonian nationality law

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
          This article is of interest to the following WikiProjects:
WikiProject European Union (Rated Start-class, Mid-importance)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject European Union, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the European Union on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
Start-Class article Start  This article has been rated as Start-Class on the project's quality scale.
 Mid  This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.
 
WikiProject Estonia (Rated Start-class, Mid-importance)
WikiProject icon Estonian nationality law is part of WikiProject Estonia, a project to maintain and expand Estonia-related subjects on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, or visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.
Start-Class article Start  This article has been rated as Start-Class on the project's quality scale.
 Mid  This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.
 
WikiProject Law (Rated Start-class, Low-importance)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Law, an attempt at providing a comprehensive, standardised, pan-jurisdictional and up-to-date resource for the legal field and the subjects encompassed by it.
Start-Class article Start  This article has been rated as Start-Class on the project's quality scale.
 Low  This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
 
WikiProject Politics (Rated Start-class, Low-importance)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Politics, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of politics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
Start-Class article Start  This article has been rated as Start-Class on the project's quality scale.
 Low  This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
 

Choice of Estonian Citizenship[edit]

Persons (without one parent being an Estonian citizen) who came to Estonia subsequent to the occupation by the Soviet Union are not Estonian citizens even if born in Estonia, but need to apply for naturalisation.

Although it is correct that such a person could choose to become a Russian citizen, the only other option was to become an Estonian citizen, but this choice was only open to people meeting ALL of the following requirements a) Must be 18 or obtained parental or guardian consent to become an Estonian citizen b) he or she must have resided in Estonia on a permanent basis for at least 2 years prior to and one year after the date of application c) he or she must know the Estonian language. In addition ANY of the following were NOT eligible to apply for Estonian citizenship a) foreign military personnel on active service b) persons who had been employed in the security and intelligence organisations of the USSR c) persons who had been convicted of serious criminal offences d) persons lacking a legal steady income.

Thus anyone choosing to become an Estonian citizen, but who was either not eligible or was unable to meet all the above requirents, was unable to obtain any form of citizenship and became 'stateless'.

It is therefore incorrect to state that a person becomes 'stateless' by simply not 'choosing' some citizenship; they became stateless because they were not eligible or were unable to obtain citizenship for a variety of reasons that include the above. Source for the above information is the UN Report of the secretary-general 'Situation of Human Rights in Estonia and Latvia' A/48/511 issued 26 October 1993. (sections 29, 30, 31, 34) Ray3055 (talk) 22:10, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

There is an element of choice involved. Many young "stateless" people who have a perfectly good Estonian language skills choose not to obtain Estonian citizenship to avoid conscription into the Army, which is an obligation on all young male citizens in the country. Martintg (talk) 23:04, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

"Undefined Citizenship" redirects here[edit]

...but shouldn't it rather redirect to "stateless person" or something like that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.203.242.203 (talk) 21:16, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Russian nationality law[edit]

Russia being a successor state to the Soviet Union, all former USSR citizens qualified for natural-born citizenship of Russian Federation, available upon mere request, as provided by the law “On the RSFSR Citizenship” in force up to end of 2000.[1]

I cannot see this when looking at Russian nationality law. What is true? --JensMueller (talk) 20:12, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

This was specified by art. 18g of former citizenship act. I removed, however, the wording "natural-born" since there was not a naturalisation requirement to have been born under any particular condition (place/time/parentage). All former Soviet citizens living on the territories belonging to former Soviet Union were eligible. 178.176.131.31 (talk) 10:58, 5 June 2010 (UTC)


Apartheid and Racism in Estonia[edit]

I feel that the apartheid that is practiced in Estonia needs addressing in this article; to me (an Australian citizen) it seems ludicrous that a) children born in Estonia have to pass a language exam and b) people resident in the country longer than it has been a recognised country have to "earn" citizenship through a series of tests.

On what basis is World War 2 continuing? On what basis is an attitude of "occupation" still continuing? It seems extraordinarily at odds with being a member of the European Union - whose aims are peace and tolerance - to have active discrimination and treatment of ethnic Russians (who did not have the luxury of an Estonian language education - and who might have come to Estonia with no malicious intent whatsoever) as a second-class.

The whole "citizenship-by-descent" and the qualifications for it - being politically motivated - is particularly discriminatory and borders on a hate crime. Can you imagine if the UK started treating its black citizens differently because they were black? Yet Estonia has configured a set of rules determined to hurt and punish otherwise innocent Russians who have been a part of their country as long as it has been an identifiable country.

Either Estonia continues its hate practices and leaves the EU. Or it smartens up quick-smart and offers citizenship to all those permanently resident in the country on the date it became a separate country. That is the only fair solution.

It is time the EU came down HARD on racist apartheid-supporting Estonians. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.153.247.110 (talk) 19:19, 2 January 2014 (UTC)