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Dear All

i Communicated with FIVB and they reply below and they confirming to me that USSR medals and RUS are combined together. so you should correct the medal tables based on FIVB(the official body of volleyball).

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"Dear Mohamed, Thank you for your interest in volleyball. Indeed, the titles and medals won by the USSR are included in the total winnings of the Russian National Team. I hope this helps.

With kind regards,

Mr. Larry CARREL FIVB Volleyball Project Manager FEDERATION INTERNATIONALE DE VOLLEYBALL « Château Les Tourelles » Edouard-Sandoz 2-4 1006 Lausanne/Switzerland Tel. +41 21 345 35 35 Fax +41 21 345 35 45 larry.carrel@fivb.com www.fivb.com"

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https://ibb.co/Pwdjrsv

Thanks and best regards Mohamed Khedr

De Giorgi

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De Giorgi just won the 2022 championship with Italy as a coach, so he won the 4th in his carrier after 3 as player. I think this should be added in table for multiple winners or with a note somewhere 87.14.154.229 (talk) 14:17, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Medals table

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According to FIVB Russia is succesor of USSR in all source

It's paradox to separate medals with this official sources. I hope so that someone will see this JohnWickChapter4 (talk) 00:33, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Volleyball World is a primary source so it is not a WP:RS, while the Olympics is a secondary reliable source but it never mentioned on the article that Russia is the successor of Soviet Union. The email screenshot is never considered a source. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 23:49, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is FIVB World championship, like we have FIFA World cup or UEFA EURO etc. So. FIVB (Volleyball World is FIVB site) is only official site. "Russia, including as Soviet Union, have won the world title a record seven times"[1] . U make wrong edit. About email, this is official office of FIVB (you have adress and you can make contact wherever you want). Also, you can see this official site of Russian volleyball federation[2]

About Olympic site you have wrong perception again: "The Soviet Union’s foothold on the game was seemingly slipping, however, those doubts were laid to rest at the 1991 FIVB men’s volleyball World Cup, when 23-year-old Dmitry Fomin guided the nation to their fourth World Cup gold in what would be their final appearance as the USSR.After missing the 1995 FIVB World Cup they returned in the 1999 edition as Russia. Led by tournament MVP Roman Yakovlev, Russia finished with a record of nine wins and two losses, and won the country’s fifth FIVB men’s volleyball World Cup crown[3]. </ref> Daniel Case (talk) Please, see all this sources I put here so many times. JohnWickChapter4 (talk) 00:05, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ https://en.volleyballworld.com/volleyball/competitions/women-worldchampionship-2022/competition/history
  2. ^ https://100.volley.ru/
  3. ^ https://olympics.com/en/news/volleyball-world-cup-men-women-history-format-results-champions

What should really be this article's title (and those of its year-of-event sub-articles)?

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Should this article's event-subject really be called by Wikipedia the "FIVB Volleyball Men's World Championship"? Or should it be called the "FIVB Men's Volleyball World Championship", or simply the "FIVB Men's World Championship"? I looked at the many pages on the event and realized that some of them don't have cited sources. But those with cited sources seem to reveal that prior to 2014 the event was simply called the "FIVB (you may put gender here) World Championship", sometimes (but rarely) the "FIVB (we may put gender here) Volleyball World Championship". The 2006 and 2010 posters called it the "FIVB Volleyball World Championship", with the latter poster putting "Men's" before "Volleyball".

The event started to be referred to (not always but repeatedly) as the "FIVB Volleyball Men's World Championship" in 2014, which may have been right or not, even by some reports on FIVB.org. It's possible that this happened because of the poster design which put the word "Volleyball" below "FIVB" and above the phrase-text "Men's World Championship". This was repeated in 2018, on the poster and in some (but not all) reports. In the 2022 poster it became the "Volleyball World Championship" again, but some of the cited reports still called the event the "Volleyball Men's World Championship".

Now, the cited sources for the page on the upcoming 2025 event, as that page already exists, have used all of the above names. Meanwhile, we have yet to see the official event poster.

I ask this question in light of the recent resolution to move the articles about the "FIVB Volleyball Men's/Women's Nations League" and those about the "FIVB Volleyball Men's/Women's Challenger Cup" to FIVB Men's Volleyball Nations League/FIVB Women's Volleyball Nations League and FIVB Men's Volleyball Challenger Cup/FIVB Women's Volleyball Challenger Cup respectively. Admittedly, these recent moves—the requests for which were concerned about the placement of the gender modifier in those articles' titles—were easier to resolve, simply with the WP:UCRN rule. But obviously it's not that easy when it comes to the "FIVB Volleyball Men's/Women's World Championship". Bagoto (talk) 06:41, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 4 September 2024

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. there is consensus to move. (closed by non-admin page mover) Frost 15:42, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

– Per WP:CONSISTENT. Most Wikipedia articles on sports events have this chronology in their titles: the year of the event first, followed by the organizer's name or acronym, followed by the gender-determiner of the event, and finally the event's name (where the name of the sport may be part of the name). The early versions of the FIVB world championship in question here were simply called "World Championship". Then they became the "Volleyball World Championship". Somewhere along the way, circa 2014-2018, it would seem that the event's new logo and banner designs confused the arrangement or chronology, so that the events became known as the "FIVB Volleyball [gender-determiner] World Championship". Thankfully, in the 2022 version of the event, the event's banner referred to the event as the "Volleyball World Championship" once again. As does the new 2025 logo/banner. Therefore the gender-determiner of the events can now be placed before that whole name again instead of after "FIVB Volleyball", which was actually weird. Whew! Bagoto (talk) 10:41, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Volleyball and WikiProject Sports have been notified of this discussion. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 11:02, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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