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Good articleFall of Phnom Penh has been listed as one of the Warfare good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
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DateProcessResult
January 8, 2020Good article nomineeListed
On this day...A fact from this article was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "On this day..." column on April 17, 2020.

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Fall of Phnom Penh/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Gog the Mild (talk · contribs) 07:05, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]


Another for me. Gog the Mild (talk) 07:05, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Gog the Mild: Hi, just a friendly ping as this one doesn't appear to have moved for a couple of weeks. From Hill To Shore (talk) 17:30, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hi From Hill To Shore. Apologies for that. On it now. Mztourist, apologies for the delay. I have done a little copy editing, which you will want to check. Flag any issues up here.
Excellent. I have changed the source to that in commons.
You don't say. I wondered if there was some triumphalist propaganda. Ah well, if there isn't, there isn't.
  • "Lacking the numbers necessary to openly control Cambodia, emptying Phnom Penh of those of its population who were indifferent or openly hostile to them was essential for securing Khmer Rouge control." That's a bit PoV. Possibly insert 'they felt that' or similar - assuming that the source supports this?
Nice attribution.
Am I missing something?
That's fine. For some reason it wasn't showing before.

Gog the Mild (talk) 22:09, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

See my comments above re the lead and the infobox, and the three points on cites. I think that's all. A cracking article. Gog the Mild (talk) 04:42, 7 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I did expand the lead, not sure what else there is to say there. Mztourist (talk) 06:25, 7 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yep. See my comment above. It's fine.
  • Genocide. It is normal in an aftermath section to explicitly mention any long term consequences of what is described in the article. This aftermath effectively ends on 30 April. But the fall of Phnom Penh has a number of further consequences, which I think could do with mentioning, even if briefly. The start of the genocide is one, which I think would merit at least a short sentence. (Otherwise the article looks good to go to me.) Gog the Mild (talk) 17:11, 7 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Spot on. A nice, focused, well referenced, readable article. Well done. More than happy to promote it. Gog the Mild (talk) 11:09, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Gog the Mild much appreciated, all relatively painless! Best regards Mztourist (talk) 11:38, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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@Mztourist: Hi! About this edit I reverted it as there seems to be confusion about my edit. This is a navigational template that lists the major topics about Phnom Penh, something that is expected about a major historical event regarding the city.

I did not foresee opposition to the inclusion of a city-wide navigational template. WhisperToMe (talk) 07:08, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Mztourist:. I strongly disagree that this template is irrelevant and am confused at the rationale. As per WP:BRD I can revert once, especially when I believe there is confusion with the previous edit summary. Anyhow I would like to use Wikipedia:Request for comment. I really am confused about why this would be irrelevant and would like clarity. WhisperToMe (talk) 07:11, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Firstly it doesn't work and secondly I have never seen such a navigational template added to a battle page before. What is the policy based reason why it should be included? Happy for you to open an RFC. regards Mztourist (talk) 07:14, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Mztourist:, please review this revision. Does it work here? What browser are you using? I am using Mozilla Firefox on Windows 10 and it works on my end. Now, second: this is not just "a battle" but a traumatic event for the city of Phnom Penh that led to its emptying out. By any definition it's a major part of the city's history and relevant to the city. Thirdly, there's more than just policies, but also practice. Great Chicago Fire includes Template:Chicago, and Great Fire of London includes Template:London history (from a featured article I must add). I'm not sure a policy reason is necessary at this point. WhisperToMe (talk) 07:19, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm still not seeing what it actually does to this page or anywhere else, so I'm confused as to what purpose you think it serves. I certainly agree that it was a major event in the city's history and have linked this page onto the history of Phnom Penh, while its already linked on pages about the Khmer Rouge etc. What more does adding this template do? Mztourist (talk) 07:35, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
To link to other major topics about the same city for those who have an interest in learning more about Phnom Penh. I created such templates about other cities: Template:Asmara, Template:Dili, Template:Kigali, etc. If/when the area gets so many articles, sections can be split off into their own, such as Template:History of London. WhisperToMe (talk) 07:49, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I really don't see the point, but have had enough of arguments lately. You can drop the RFC and add it in if you think its an improvement. Mztourist (talk) 07:52, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

===RFC: Citywide navigational template=== Should a navigational template about the city in general ([[:Template:Phnom Penh]]) be included in this article about a historical battle that took place in the city? [[User:WhisperToMe|WhisperToMe]] ([[User talk:WhisperToMe|talk]]) 07:32, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

As per the above. Thank you!WhisperToMe (talk) 12:46, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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