Talk:Filipinos in Hong Kong
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There are lots of issues that a migrant worker population face in any country or territory, and this article touches none of the interesting ones. Who in their right mind thinks it's interesting enough to write an article about the songs and dances of a migrant population while completely skipping over the only reason anybody would read one of these articles---social issues, inequalities, injustice, abuse? Addressing the potential, the facts, the law, and the opinions from the Filipino side, the Hong Kong side, the China side? Flat out, this article is lamer than a no-legged horse. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 05:48, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
The part Health could be rewritten, I guess. --K.C. Tang 04:55, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
- I've basically turned the Health section into Living Conditions. I wouldn't be opposed if someone removed the entire section and replaced it with something more substantial. - Hinto 01:42, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
New Section: History
I think this page could use a history section, dealing with such things as the first Filipinos in Hong Kong, etc. --TheBoompsy 20:52, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
It has been suggested that the article Bun mui be merged into Filipinos in Hong Kong. The term Bun mui is a derogatory term or at least offensive. The purpose is to explain a derogatory term amd not on the subject of Filipinos in Hong Kong. The article is far too long and detailed to be merged with into Filipinos in Hong Kong. The article should remain separate. A link to Bun mui has been inserted into the article Filipinos in Hong Kong.
- No-I agree with the above:Keep separated . Bun mui should focus on the term and labelling, slurs implied by Bun mui, while Filipinos should be on other infor.--Jondel 09:54, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
- Yes - Merge it but really tighten up and edit down the Bun Mui page, which has clearly been written by someone with a specific agenda. It is ridiculously hypocritical to have the article based round how offensive the term is and then include sentences like: "...in contrast from the stiff, deadbeat; funeral-parlor looks of the average Hong Kong resident." and "Hong Kong would just be another dull Chinese city without their lively presence."
- No - The article Bun mui should remain separate because it covers an interesting and widely used term which needs to be described in detail independently. Not every Filipino would like to see the term in The Filipinos in Hong Kong because it is actually an racial slur bordering on derogatory. The corresponding Chinese characters should be shown alongside each of those terms listed considering that the term is used mainly in Hong Kong. Yes, I agree with Paul Christensen that the author went off tracks by commenting on the deabeat looks of Hong Kong residents etc, therefore I have cleaned it up a bit. Now we have an valuable article providing valuable information to those who need seek them.--Graceland 07:53, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Sources for Sunday activities
Does anybody have any sources for what the Filipinas do on Sundays? I know from personal experience that they gather at places like Central, but the only sources I've found online that actually talk about this are from travel guides. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 04:24, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
I have walked past them and spoken to a few. Basically they gather around in picnic style and eat. They seem to eat pre-prepared food. Lots of talking. I did see one group playing a type of board game. The main attraction seems to be catching up with people from the same country they are from. From my understanding during the week they are busy with the family they serve and they have left family at home, so it's a very social time on Sunday.
- If the local newspapers are anything like US papers, I would expect to find the occasional article on this practice, probably around various holidays, and probably in a 'community' section or the like rather than the first section of the paper. There won't be many articles since it is positive news rather than negative, but there should be some over the years.
- I see nothing wrong with using a travel guide as a possible source, as long as you can get enough information out of it for a decent citation. However such a source should be an auxilliary source and not a primary reference. Loren.wilton (talk) 20:44, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Lets put this one on the table: There are comments about the HKCC and how Filipinos apparently really dig hanging out in front of there (Culture Centre). Does that not seem odd to include? That is one of the single most expensive venues in Asia and there cannot possibly be people so poor that they have to leave the PI for work...yet can still afford to patronize the place. The point is this, its an open business on Sundays and all these people are bringing food from other places (no money spent locally) with lots of trash left behind and cluttering up the entryway, (you should see it). I would venture that a great many people regard them as nothing more than vagrants claiming public rights on public lands. Thats not a simple civic center or museum - its an internationally renowned theater house. Just a thought. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 14:04, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
What about information about the exploitation of these maids? I have heard this occurs?
- Rumors of exploitation always abound with any group that has mainly service jobs, in any country. Some of them may be true, many are certainly false. I personally don't care for the newspaper practice of finding one case of unconfirmed molestation and screaming in the top headline "All Filipinos are Exploited!" If someone wants to add a section to the article on exploitation I would strongly suggest finding at least two sources for individual incidents, and citing them along wiht the claims, and try to balance this against the rest of the article.
- If you can't find citations, or if you can only find one, I would be reluctant to see it in the article. News media will lie to get circulation. We don't need circulation so we shouldn't propagate invented stories, only the real stories. Loren.wilton (talk) 20:44, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
- exactly what kind of exploitation are you thinking of? Sex? It might startle you but in every one of the 24 countries I have lived in (including most of SE Asia), these girls are not "sold" into prostitution. I personally know 30 or so that left the Philippines voluntarily to work the strips in Hong Kong. Possibly hundreds more to other locations. There is one in my kitchen that is waiting for her work-visa for California so she can get there and disappear - working the trade again. I agree with Loren.wilton and that a great many stories are made to look real and sometimes are internationally sensational, but quietly disappear when any proof of slavery rings comes out to be false. Now, the other exploitation would be manual labor and I cannot see any reason someone would pay for a labor slave from another country when there are already a ton of locals to do the work just as cheap. 22.214.171.124 (talk) 13:44, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
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