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I've tried to rephrase the advice in this article in a third person voice, but I can't figure out a reasonable way to do that with the section on moving trains at the moment. --Alexwcovington 12:13, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Books and movies[edit]

I have a suggestion that the sections on books and movies for both the Freighthopping and Hobo articles should get their own article, say, "Hobos and freighthopping in media". The reason for this is I can think of dozens more books to list and several more movies but if any more were added it would overwhelm the main articles. What does everyone else think about this? Kaibabsquirrel 29 June 2005 04:40 (UTC)

I went ahead and put all the books and movies in their own article. List of books and films about hobos and freighthopping. Kaibabsquirrel 5 July 2005 09:39 (UTC)


This article has some big problems. It's more of a guide to crime than an objective account of this despicable act. It should be fixed.

It's not a dispicable act you bourgeois idiot. I think the article is just fine the way it is, and it's more informative as a pseudo-guide than as a straight article with few details.
Regardless of whether or not it's "dispicable" it doesn't read very professionally as it is. It needs to be changed. - furrykef (Talk at me) 01:06, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

The problem is that Wikipedia is an encylopaedia,not a How-to guide, unlike most of this article. Also, I beleive that it is completely illegal, at least in the UK. Thryduulf 15:37, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

however old this discussion may be, i'm stunned as to how trainhopping can be considered "despicable"; i think that's a bit much. cma 09:30, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Indeed, I don't see how this could be seen as dispicable. I can sure as hell see the attraction in it, even if I think it's probably a little bit too dangerous for me to ever try.Mattm1138 07:01, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
Any article which advises on how to avoid getting caught by the police for an illegal act is morally dubious, regardless of any namecalling. If the article was written in a purely factual tone (e.g., “Many freighthoppers do this...”) then it might be OK, but as it stands it is an endorsement of crime and must therefore by against some Wikipedia rule. Scott197827 2/3/2006
If it is endorsing anything then it violates the NPOV policy - articles should neither promote nor do whatever the opposite of promote is (I can't think of the word) the subject. They should present factual information about the subject in a neutral manner. i.e. the article should not say "this is great" but equally it should not say "this is despicable" - even if it is illegal, although that fact that it is illegal should be mentioned, as should the fact that it is dangerous. Thryduulf 00:25, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Many apologies for probably not going about this the proper way (never done this before); just wanted to shed light that in "Safety Concerns" it is mentioned "modern-day hobos" are unsavory folk according to Ted Conover. I take issue not in the accusation, rather the fact that Conover has not written about trains in many years (since 1984, arguably 1987) and his accounts by no means represent "modern-day hobos" or the folk who hop trains nowadays. A little revision might be a good idea. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:37, 21 March 2012 (UTC) I guess you probably think flying a sign (panhandling with a sign) is despicable too? I pray to god that you're never poor and have to go to a funeral or some obligatory function five states away. I guess you hate hitch hikers too? Oh there is a "How-to" guide but it's on a website that is a guide to crime and I like to protect the secret societies that let me join them, so I will not be sharing it here. Oh and by the way...Go fuck yourself.

How bad of a crime is trainhopping?[edit]

How bad of a crime is trainhopping?

Every state has an applicable statute on it and it's usually a misdemeanor. However if locomotives or rolling stock are tampered with, railroad police can charge the trespasser with a felony and pursue federal terrorism charges, depending on the case. Equinox137 06:46, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Most of the time when your caught you get a charge of criminal tresspassing this is from expirence

The decline of freighthopping[edit]

The article seems to suggest that the image of the old hobo "riding the rails" as a Great Depression stowaway is fading due to better economic times. I'd suspect this is only part of the story - the railroads themselves have been losing ground to trucks and freeways, as much cargo that used to move by train now rides the motorways on eighteen-wheel lorries. A loss of passengers from the old freightcar-stowaway status to hitchhiking the motorway instead would fit this trend, no? --carlb 20:08, 26 March 2006 (UTC)


If you are going to make an artical on train hopping in the presnt time you need to include its popularity whith the punk sub cullter

OI! OI! OI! OI! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:12, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Why? Equinox137 04:17, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Because it is very real. Three groups ride trains today, 1) Migrant farmworkers, generally coming from Latin America, 2) transient folk who have no other way to get around, and 3) punk, activist, and rainbow kids. Unless Wikipedia members decide to pretend that trainhopping is something that happened no more recently than 50 years ago, a section on modern day trainhopping should probably be added.--Rico (talk) 23:48, 18 February 2014 (UTC)


This article needs citations. SpigotMap 08:27, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Some potential printed sources could be found at, the publishers of such how-to guides as 'Hopping Freight Trains in America' and 'Ridin Free'. Internet sources abound. The interested could google freight hopping and have hours of fun. (talk) 02:43, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Are there any citations per "Many railroads take a strict view of people hopping freight trains..."? --Daniel ellis (talk) 19:40, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Nearly all states?[edit]

If this article is going to say that trainhopping is banned by statute in nearly every state, why does it not mention the regions where it isn't banned? NeutronTaste (talk) 20:52, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Errr.......there's a trespassing statute in every state. The sentence was fixed. Equinox137 (talk) 08:59, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Not all IM is doublestack, not all is priority[edit]

This is confusing two separate, three. There are fast frieghts, which are often, but not always, landbridge intermodal. Some, but not all, doublestack is fast freight. Some fast freight is single stack, some is TOFC, and some is reefers &cet. Anmccaff (talk) 22:36, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

At best it's arcane fauxbo jargon, at worst it's OR[edit]

Grain hopper car, on the other hand, might be a real name. Anmccaff (talk) 22:42, 26 September 2016 (UTC)