Talk:Gary Trauner

Bert Convy

Trauner lost handily this time, that is a fact and should be fair game for this discussion page; yet any mention of his sound defeat is instantly scrubbed from this discussion. Why is that? Who does that? Answer: not a Wyoming voter, or a Wyoming native but some special interest out of state handler of Trauner's. I realize that this edit will only last a few minutes on what has become a "policed" by Trauner site but I felt like letting anyone who tries to come to this page to see unfettered discussion know that only pro-Trauner tripe is allowed to live here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bert Convy (talk • contribs) 14:41, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Whats funny about that is that I am a Wyoming native, so go figure. This discussion is not a general purpose message board, nor is it someplace to WP:SOAPBOX. This area is specifically intended to to discuss the Wikipedia article, and only that. The article clearly and objectively discusses Trauner's defeat in the election, nothing more needs to be said on the subject. If you want to associate with like-minded individuals and gloat over the victory, then there are many, many message boards and websites that you can join. This is not one of those places - if you can constructively add to the article while adhering to the Wikipedia guidelines of verifiability and notability and neutral point of view then please do so, but don't come in every month or so and distract the conversation. That behavior isn't accepted anywhere on Wikipedia for candidates of any party, and this page is no exception. Thank you. CosmicPenguin (Talk) 16:13, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Jackson Whole

As a Wyoming voter & a 5 generation Wyoming native I am not only concerned and confused as to why Trauner and or his handlers are dead set to keep the fact that Trauner is Jewish such a secret from the voters I am ashamed he is even running for office in Wyoming if this is his level of honor. I made the edits on nearly a daily basis and as you can see by this complaint they are dead set on keeping his Jewish religion a big secret. Shame on him for allowing this.

I'm well aware that Trauner is Jewish. When you made the simple edit of listing his religion as Jewish in the profile, I even wikified the link. I objected to your making repeated references to his Judaism throughout the article because that sounded like potential anti-Semitic baiting. BeIsKr (talk) 03:15, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

User:Bert Convy keeps making very biased edits. It seems like he's working for the Loomis campaign, especially since all of his edits are on this page. I don't know if any admins read this, but if so, please take note. BeIsKr (talk) 07:33, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

You might want to take it to WP:COIN if you haven't already. CosmicPenguin (Talk) 17:08, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Stopping in from COIN. I don't see very much in the way of bias in BC's edits, based on the version BeIsKr reverted to. Looks like Convy's edits include a statement that Trauner is Jewish and born in New York, with an external link stating such. Is this information incorrect? The statement "A transplant to Wilson" vs. "A resident of Wilson" could be seen as a POV push from Convy, if the point is trying to suggest that Trauner is somehow less qualified, not being a native. In an election season, not much surprises me, so I would tent to agree that the "A resident of" version is more neutral. So far the most POV-leaning statement is actually in BeIsKr's reverted version. The statement that Trauner "nearly unseated" Cubin is more POV-pushing to me than Convy's version, that "Trauner lost to Cubin", especially since the next sentence shows how close the vote was.

So in summary, my opinion on the most neutral versions would be: "A resident of Wilson", and "Trauner lost to Cubin". If the statements that Trauner is Jewish and born in New York are true and supported by cite, it is not really appropriate to remove them. If they are bare facts, there's no inherent POV push there, unless the article later tries to make something of them. Arakunem^Talk 13:59, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps I shouldn't have blanketly reverted all his edits, but "A transplant to Wilson" definitely seemed like it was trying to accuse Trauner of being a carpetbagger. Also, if you look at Convy's 15 September edit, he added the sentence "Trauner also goes against traditionally held Wyoming values with his strong support for late term abortions and gay marriage." I think "goes against traditionally held Wyoming values" is very non-NPOV. In his 14:44 3 October edit, he put a direct link to Lummis' website in the middle of the article. I would hold that as long as there's a wiki link to an opponent's wikipedia page (which there is), there shouldn't be any links to an opponent's campaign page; I certainly don't see any links to Trauner's campaign page on Lummis' wiki page. So yes, while the Jewish-related edits aren't NPOV violations, Convy's put in so many NPOV violations over the past month that I've taken to reverting everything. BeIsKr (talk) 16:58, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

I would rather see individual edits rather than reverts, from all parties involved. Some of the reverts include changes that appear to be pro-Trauner POV edits, such as changing "he would again challenge Mrs. Cubin, but she has since announced her retirement" to "but she thereafter announced her retirement", which makes it seem like one caused the other. The same could be said for "Trauner lost to Cubin" --> "Trauner narrowly lost to Cubin". Both are true, the latter is less neutral to me. As for "well over 1000 votes" vs. "just over 1000 votes", how about we give the exact number and cite it. That way there's no grey area with the adverbial phrase. Arakunem^Talk 00:37, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestions. I tried to make the section more neutral, with specifics and citations. Feel free to suggest any other places to better implement NPOV. BeIsKr (talk) 01:13, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Looks much better, thanks! Arakunem^Talk 16:02, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

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This articles seems like a campaign site

It appears to me that the main author of this (especially before my recent edits) wrote this as an ad for his campaign. The article really needs more sources on his political views, since the only ones that were there seem to have been written by his campaign and weren't backed up by good sources. His career history could also use sources. If someone has time, I think a search for media articles on Trauner could provide good information to fill in the gaps.

pluma♫ ♯ 23:31, 30 December 2017 (UTC)