Talk:Grandma Moses record book
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Jane (talk) 15:30, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Notable and correct?
[edit]The one source given doesn't discuss any "record book" but just labels she pasted on the back of paintings. This doesn't seem to match the text of the article. Are there more and better sources to support this article? Otherwise it doesn't seem notable and should be one or two sentences in a more general article on her life or work. Fram (talk) 15:46, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- I added a bit more. It's hard to explain without adding a picture of a sample sticker or page from the book. I have wandered into Wikimedia territory that is locked up tight copyright-wise and realize I am so accustomed to writing picture by picture that I get tangled up in frustration! The next step is to start adding the US copyright entry numbers per painting based on this book. As far as I can tell, the intention of all parties back in 1941 was for the copyright entries to correspond to the stickers and lines in the book. The main issue was the difficulty Grandma Moses had in understanding royalties. Jane (talk) 09:18, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, but even with the added information this seems to be worthy of one or two lines in the Grandma Moses article (or in a potential List of paintings by Frandma Moses, but not a standalone article. It's helpful in cataloguing her works, but it's not a notable book in itself. Fram (talk) 09:33, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Well I guess it depends on how you would source such a list. There exist 3 separate numbering systems: the artist's own (using this record book combined with stickers), the one in use by Kallir himself for his catalog (and continued today using similar Kallir logic presumably by the Kallir Institute since 2020), and the one made possible by each individual copyright notice (see "GU" numbers registered in 1948 as an example). In order to make a list based on record book numbers (which I suspect include mostly larger paintings and fewer of the small ones she made for neighbors and family members), you need an explanation of what it is. Also many recent auction records will include information on the sticker (or a photo of the sticker), but of course have no access to the catalog number if it doesn't exist. I have yet to see an auction record referencing the GU number, but most do state the copyright notice, though it seems to be included as an excuse to eliminate provenance information. Jane (talk) 05:58, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, on such a list a short paragraph explaining this numbering system is perfectly acceptable. That doesn't mean that a separate article is warranted. Fram (talk) 07:21, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Well I guess it depends on how you would source such a list. There exist 3 separate numbering systems: the artist's own (using this record book combined with stickers), the one in use by Kallir himself for his catalog (and continued today using similar Kallir logic presumably by the Kallir Institute since 2020), and the one made possible by each individual copyright notice (see "GU" numbers registered in 1948 as an example). In order to make a list based on record book numbers (which I suspect include mostly larger paintings and fewer of the small ones she made for neighbors and family members), you need an explanation of what it is. Also many recent auction records will include information on the sticker (or a photo of the sticker), but of course have no access to the catalog number if it doesn't exist. I have yet to see an auction record referencing the GU number, but most do state the copyright notice, though it seems to be included as an excuse to eliminate provenance information. Jane (talk) 05:58, 19 June 2024 (UTC)