Talk:Guston, Colorado

A fact from Guston, Colorado appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 15 March 2021 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the opening of a new church in Guston, Colorado, was said to have brought fire and "divine intervention" on a rival neighboring community?

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Please add additional information as you can! ~ Pbritti (talk) 19:32, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Valereee (talk) 18:45, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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... that a preacher arriving in Guston, Colorado brought divine punishment with him? Source: "A day after the church opened, the commercial district of Red Mountain Town was destroyed in a fire, with some local residents suggesting it was the result of divine retribution" [1]
- ALT1:... that the opening of a new church in Guston, Colorado preceded divine punishmentt for the townsfolk? Source: "A day after the church opened, the commercial district of Red Mountain Town was destroyed in a fire, with some local residents suggesting it was the result of divine retribution" [2]
- ALT2:... that in 1892 the now ghost town of Guston, Colorado was the site of divine punishment? Source: "A day after the church opened, the commercial district of Red Mountain Town was destroyed in a fire, with some local residents suggesting it was the result of divine retribution" [3]

Comment: I'm willing to work on producing a better hook. This is a first time submission

Created by Pbritti (talk). Self-nominated at 19:55, 22 February 2021 (UTC).[reply]

Congratulations on your first DYK submission, Pbritti! The article is well written, interesting, and very readable. It is new enough, long enough, well sourced, and neutral. I don’t find any copyvios. QPQ is not needed. But I do have a problem with your proposed hooks - two problems, actually. First, you say "divine punishment", and you quote the hook's source as saying "divine retribution", but the source actually says "divine intervention" which is not the same thing. Second, all the hooks seem to state, in Wikipedia’s voice, that there actually was a definite connection between the fire and divine punishment; we can't do that. Can you come up with a hook that says "divine intervention" as per the hook, and that attributes the claim to a source? Ping me when you reply. -- MelanieN (talk) 18:59, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, MelanieN! I'm still trying to learn how to do the playful voice that seems to come through in DYK blurbs, so I appreciate the pointers. Perhaps a more appropriate hook would be

- ALT3: ... that a 1892 fire in Guston, Colorado was described as divine retribution?

If that's not quite up to snuff, let me know! ~ Pbritti (talk) 20:09, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Pbritti. I still have a problem with "divine retribution" when the source said "divine intervention". Otherwise that hook would work, but it is a bit of a head-scratcher, as in "retribution for what"? I gather it was a humorous reference to the fact that a church had been opened the day before? If you would rather leave that as a puzzlement - something to make people click on the hook to find out what you are talking about - I could accept that. But I do need the hook to represent the source accurately. BTW whenever you suggest a new hook you should format it and number it; I will do that with the one you just suggested. -- MelanieN (talk) 20:24, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, MelanieN! Problematically, Wikipedia distinguishes between Divine Intervention and Divine Retribution. The source calls it divine intervention, so maybe I'll adjust the article as such. If you would accept

- ALT4: ... that a 1892 fire in Guston, Colorado was described as divine intervention?

that would be fine with me. As for the other concerns, I'm afraid they're somewhat over my head. Thank you ~ Pbritti (talk) 20:48, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I'm good with that. Keep writing articles, and keep submitting DYKs! -- MelanieN (talk) 21:25, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Pbritti, MelanieN: Unfortunately, the hook is inaccurate in its basic claim: it was Red Mountain Town where the commercial district burned on the day after Guston's church opened, and the reason "divine intervention" was involved is that Red Mountain Town had refused Rev. Davis's request to open a church there, so he went to Guston instead (and Red Mountain residents believed they were punished by the deity). Guston: unburnt. Red Mountain Town: burnt. This needs a completely new hook, so I'm reopening the nomination so things can start over. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:03, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@BlueMoonset: Wow, thanks for catching this! You are right, that is what this reference says. You had to read it closely to see that the fire and the claims of divine intervention were in Red Mountain Town - a place which doesn't even have an article here, although there is a mention of "the town of Red Mountain" here and a reference to "the ghost town mining camp of Red Mountain Town" here. Not only the hook but the article need to be fixed. Thanks for your alertness. -- MelanieN (talk) 15:29, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@BlueMoonset: @MelanieN:: Thank you! Glad you guys noticed all that. I'm not entirely sure if the article requires alteration as the fire is described as a conflagration in Red Mountain Town. However, the hook requires fixing so I submit this alternative for approval.

- ALT5... that the opening of a new church in Guston, Colorado was said to have brought divine intervention and fire on a neighboring community?

My apologies for any trouble I've caused. ~ Pbritti (talk) 19:04, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I did add some clarification to the article, because I thought it necessary to establish why the folks in Red Mountain Town felt that way. The hook looks fine to me. But I am not sure if I am allowed to approve this nomination, since I have been so involved in creating the hook and now modifying the article. @BlueMoonset: What are the rules on that? -- MelanieN (talk) 19:49, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@BlueMoonset: and @MelanieN:, I decided to expand the article on Red Mountain and the town, so what do you all think of this final submission:

- ALT6... that the opening of a new church in Guston, Colorado was said to have brought divine intervention and fire on a rival neighboring community?

Thank you for the support! ~ Pbritti (talk) 00:06, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just finished the article on Red Mountain Town, as per MelanieN's suggestion. ~ Pbritti (talk) 03:11, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think this nomination is ready to go using ALT6. -- MelanieN (talk) 02:20, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Additional review for the addition of the Red Mountain Town, Colorado to make this a double DYK. The article is new enough, long enough, and nominated timely. It is well sourced and neutral. I'm not finding any copyvios or close paraphrases. The hook is interesting and sourced. QPQ is not required. Nice work. -- MelanieN (talk) 04:05, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Following some hiccups, this article and that for Red Mountain Town, Colorado were accepted for usage in the 15 March 2021 WP:DYK. The original version was first scheduled for the 12 March 2021 update but was pulled following well-founded accuracy concerns. ~ Pbritti (talk) 22:08, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source for the 15 March 2021 DYK featuring this article can be found here, via the NarrowGuage.org website. ~ Pbritti (talk) 18:55, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]