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Did someone just blow away all the external references? WTF? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.170.243.110 (talk) 20:11, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi- I removed them per WP:SPAM and WP:EL. Read the latter, it explains fairly well what type of links should be included. Wikipedia is not a link farm. I added a link to DMOZ, which is where such links should go- dmoz is specifically intended to be a listing of all links about a topic. tedder (talk) 20:39, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, the following links are NOT SPAM:

  • Happy Camp Elementary (school, government)
  • Happy Camp High School (school, government)
  • Happy Camp Family Resource Center (non-profit, government sponsored)

You're removing links which've been on this page for a long time, I understand Happy Camp News, etc. (the dot coms), but can you tell me why you think the above links specifically are spam? Before you delete them again, kindly explain to us how these institutions are any more or less relevant to Happy Camp than the links you arbitrarily decided to leave up (including the Karuk Tribe)? Without them, there would be no Happy Camp--they are integral to the community.

--A Happy Camp Resident —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.170.243.110 (talk) 21:30, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

WP:USCITY#External links provides guidance on the external links that are appropriate for that section in city, town, and community articles. In part, it states: "A link to some of the official websites should be provided here, such as the official city government, the chamber of commerce, and the convention & visitors bureau. Providing links to every commercial, educational, or other entity within the city is not appropriate for this section." --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 23:18, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: Tedder has already provided a link to this article for Happy Camp, California at the Open Directory Project, which per WP:EL is a better suited site for hosting web directories. The links you were wanting (and more) already appear to be included at that site. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 23:30, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Would tend to agree here. Wikipedia articles are not a directory or a repository of links. DMOZ is better suited.--Hu12 (talk) 00:10, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Camp Chamber of Commerce is a private enterprise and is not accountable to any governmental entity (unlike schools and non-profits), and was created primarily as an advertisement for Big Foot RV Park. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.170.243.110 (talk) 01:21, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The guidelines were developed for larger population centers with 1000s of businesses and organizations which could potentially create an extremely chaotic web page. Happy Camp is a town of less than 1500 people and there were less than a dozen links.

I just added a few more sections. I've got plenty more information on the way. It is all correct to the best of my knowledge (I only live here). Feel free to help out if you like,

maybe you could do some fact-checking....... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.170.243.110 (talk) 02:13, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please note that Wikipedia is not a travel guide. Much of the content being added is not notable and merely functions as a low-level tourism guide, so should be removed. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 03:13, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

...actually people fly in from around the world to fish in the river here at Happy Camp, it's true--but the locals fish here year round. People from other states quit their jobs and move here for a chance to mine gold... they make a living on it. These activities are not "low-level tourism," they're a driving force. Hunting is a mainstay and is primarily pursued by locals--not tourists.

The tourists are "campers" and "hikers." Not gold miners, hunters and fisherman. People don't seem to get that.

I've gone ahead and removed the blatant advertisement in the "Camping" section for "Elk Creek Campground." I renamed the "Camping" section to "Outdoor Activities" and made a subheading for the activies here in Happy Camp which are primarily pursued by locals: fishing, hunting, gold mining, mushroom hunting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.170.243.110 (talk • contribs) 17:47, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The section rename looks good, and good call to remove the advert for the campground. The subsections should be merged - the preferred formatting for Wikipedia is in paragraph prose. Currently, the subsections read much like one/two sentence bullet points - it would be better to combine it into a single paragraph. I had attempted to do that in my earlier edit, but I may not have used the best phrasing. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 18:18, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If what you say about gold mining, camping, and the like are true, it shouldn't be hard to find reliable sources to back that up. A decent example would be a California guidebook, news articles from out of town (for instance, if the LA Times wrote an article about "what to do in NorCal"). tedder (talk) 20:16, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, gold is over $1131 per ounce right now... the lumber mills have been closed for a long time, and property taxes are still due. You can't just start panning gold and expect to make a living. The buy-in for professional prospectors can run to tens of thousands of dollars of highly specialized equipment (including SCUBA gear, suction dredges and seperators), licensing and claim fees.
Tedder, beyond this, Happy Camp was founded as a mining town... this is not a movement restricted to Happy Camp, but Happy Camp's history as a gold mining town is a huge draw for professional prospectors. The motherlode here was never found, and so new gold keeps turning up in the river.Check out this article:
"Without Prospects, They're Prospectors: Metal's High Price, Economy's Low Ebb Create New Gold Rush A Modern Day Gold Rush in California. With gold nearing $1,000 an ounce and Americans facing tough economic times, some are investing in mining gear to prospect for gold 160 years after the initial Californian gold rush." --By Karl Vick, Washington Post Staff Writer
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/23/AR2009082301806.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.170.243.110 (talk) 21:35, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Some background (you probably won't find in the LA Times): A good description of gold mining in Happy Camp - From the "New 49ers" web site (admittedly a private commercial interest, but you probably won't find a word about Happy Camp on the New York Times, Washington Post or even LA Times--it's too small and too remote), also see a more general description of Happy Camp.
"Johnson told the Daily News that his appearance in the photo (far right, with back to camera) was distressing because the Karuk tribe officially supported the suction dredge ban, which he said has resulted in an immediate and dramatic drop in not only his business, but in the revenue of many downriver businesses.
“They’re trying to drive us all away,” he said. “They want the whole river to themselves.”
The Daily News regrets that the photo created a perception that Johnson or anyone else present/pictured in the Davenport photo was associated with the program Davenport administers for the Karuk tribe" -- http://www.siskiyoudaily.com/homepage/x1076979827/From-the-editor-Front-page-photo-clarification
Funny thing is, it's not the Karuk Tribe, it's the federal government who is busily restricting property rights on the river, specifically the Department of Fish and Game by claiming that Coho Salmon are an endangered species--the DF&G introduced this non-native species. I've spoken with several older Karuks personally and they tell me that the DF&G closed the last of the Coho Salmon Rearing Pools 18 years ago, then, seven years ago they began fighting to put the Coho Salmon on the endangered species list. Yurok (gill netting at the mouth of the river) are the primary proponents of this action. If they really cared about the Salmon population, the DF&G would bring back the Rearing Pools... with an average of 80,000 fish each and mainly spawing in holes created by dredging.
Tedder, this is why I created a seperate section for each activity, there's a lot of information that goes with each item. I'd like to create a section called "River Controversy" and put much of this info there. What say you?
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