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I have re-written the Havening Techniques section in a way that is now connected to verifiable sources, and also, re-cited some references where they were relevant more than once, and added an extra reference too.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomasoduffy (talk • contribs) 19:04, 20 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Fringe etc.

Doc James, Jytdog, don't know if y'all have seen this article. Drmies (talk) 02:20, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The sourcing is very poor, mostly the popular press. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 10:29, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the ping. I am dealing with a related matter before working on the content... Jytdog (talk) 17:00, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

note - there are no reviews in pubmed.Jytdog (talk) 05:19, 22 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
note- a clinical trial that was "limited by its small sample size, lack of control group and that the sample selection was opportunistic which is therefore likely to be non-representative of the working population. " published in 2015 in Health Science Journal which is published by OMICS Publishing Group. We are not going to cite it, nor the tabloid coverage of it, per WP:MEDRS. Jytdog (talk) 05:54, 22 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"However new evidence has been provided recently on two publications regarding Havening. Those are the direct evidence for the validity of the claim.[10][7]" - i did read the 2 studies that should prove the claim. Do they? As far as i can see there is no real proof of these claims in those 2 studies. 213.64.58.106 (talk) 06:14, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Citing McKenna's published study

What about citing the article, but also presenting a statement about the limitations of the study? I also think it would be appropriate to refer to Havening as an unproven therapy. So, I propose editing the page as follows:

Havening, is an unproven^[1] alternative therapy developed by Ronald Ruden and popularized in part by hypnotist Paul McKenna; it is marketed as an "amygdala depotentiation" technique that purportedly can help people with psychological problems, particularly those related to phobias, post-traumatic stress and anxiety.^[2]^[3]

Havening involves instructing the patient to recall emotionally disturbing events while the practitioner gently touches the patient's palms, arms and face.^[1]^[4] Havening shares features in common with another controversial alternative therapy method, eye movement desensitization and reprocessing.^[5]^[1]^[6]

==Assessments of Claims==

The official "Havening" website includes a listing of testimonials about Havening's effectiveness,^[7] however, the "Havening Research" page does not link to any research studies assessing the claim that Havening is an effective therapy for any of the disorders listed on the site.^[8] One study has been published designed to assess that claim.^[4] In that study, 27 participants completed self-report measures of depression, anxiety, and social adjustment before, and 1-week and 2-months after, a Havening intervention. Scores on the different measures were better after than intervention than before. The authors note that the study is limited by "its small sample size" and "lack of control group". Because of the lack of a control group, there is no way to know if the change in scores on the self-report measures is a result of the Havening intervention, a placebo effect, or some other factor related to the passage of time^[6]^[5]^[1]

Proponents claim that Havening "increases the levels of serotonin which can disrupt reconsolidation of the link between the traumatic memory of the event and the distress it causes."^[4]. Although Ruden and McKenna each make this claim, neither provides any direct evidence for the validity of the claim.Regutten (talk) 22:48, 31 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

^ ^a ^b ^c ^d Jarrett, Christian (May 9, 2013). "Can The New Havening Technique Really Cure Trauma and Fear?". Psychology Today.
^ Ruden, Ronald. "About Havening". Havening Techniques. The Havening Techniques. Retrieved 31 January 2019.
^ Iley, Chrissy (January 15, 2012). "Paul McKenna: 'I'm not built for relationships'". The Telegraph. United Kingdom. Retrieved July 17, 2016.
^ ^a ^b ^c Gursimran, T.; Deborah, T.; Gould, M.; McKenna, P.; Greensberg, N. (2015). "Impact of a Single-Session of Havening". Health Science Journal. 9 (5): 1–5.
^ ^a ^b Herbert, J.; Lilienfeld, S.; Lohr, J.; Montgomery, R.; O'Donohue, W.; Rosen, G.; Tolin, D. (2000). "Science and pseudoscience in the development of eye movement desensitization and reprocessing: implications for clinical psychology". Clinical Psychology Review. 20 (8): 945–71. Retrieved 31 January 2019.
^ ^a ^b Arkowitz, H.; Lilienfeld, S. (2012). "EMDR: Taking a Closer Look". Scientific American. SA Special Editions 17 (4S): 10–11. doi:10.1038/scientificamerican1207-10sp.
^ Ruden, Ronald. "Havening testimonial". Havening Techniques. The Havening Techniques. Retrieved 31 January 2019.
^ Ruden, Ronald. "Havening Research". Havening Techniques. The Havening Techniques. Retrieved 31 January 2019.

[PT2013-1] Jarrett, Christian (May 9, 2013). "Can The New Havening Technique Really Cure Trauma and Fear?". Psychology Today.

[Ruden1-2] Ruden, Ronald. "About Havening". Havening Techniques. The Havening Techniques. Retrieved 31 January 2019.

[TelegraphArticle-3] Iley, Chrissy (January 15, 2012). "Paul McKenna: 'I'm not built for relationships'". The Telegraph. United Kingdom. Retrieved July 17, 2016.

[McKenna-4] Gursimran, T.; Deborah, T.; Gould, M.; McKenna, P.; Greensberg, N. (2015). "Impact of a Single-Session of Havening". Health Science Journal. 9 (5): 1–5.

[Herbert-5] Herbert, J.; Lilienfeld, S.; Lohr, J.; Montgomery, R.; O'Donohue, W.; Rosen, G.; Tolin, D. (2000). "Science and pseudoscience in the development of eye movement desensitization and reprocessing: implications for clinical psychology". Clinical Psychology Review. 20 (8): 945–71. Retrieved 31 January 2019.

[Lilienfeld-6] Arkowitz, H.; Lilienfeld, S. (2012). "EMDR: Taking a Closer Look". Scientific American. SA Special Editions 17 (4S): 10–11. doi:10.1038/scientificamerican1207-10sp.

[testimonials-7] Ruden, Ronald. "Havening testimonial". Havening Techniques. The Havening Techniques. Retrieved 31 January 2019.

[research-8] Ruden, Ronald. "Havening Research". Havening Techniques. The Havening Techniques. Retrieved 31 January 2019.

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