Talk:Homogeneous function

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What the hell is x times gradient of f(x) supposed to mean, dot product?

It means that for a vector function f(x) that is homogenous of degree k, the dot production of a vector x and the gradient of f(x) evaluated at x will equal k * f(x). CodeLabMaster 12:12, 05 August 2007 (UTC)
Yes, as can be seen from the furmula under that one. I've added the dot and changed vector symbols to bold. mazi 18:04, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Not all homogeneous functions are differentiable[edit]

The article, before I changed it a moment ago, implied that all homogeneous functions are differentiable. Here's a counterexample: f: R^2 --> R, k=1, with f(x,y)= either x (if xy>0) or 0 (otherwise). --Steve 03:23, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Is the derivative theorem correct?[edit]

According to planetmath [1], the theorem about derivatives is not correct unless we replace "homogeneous" by "positive homogeneous" throughout. Their counterexample is wrong (I just submitted a correction on the site), but could that claim be correct? Does anyone have a reference, or a proof, or a proper counterexample?

Update: The person maintaining that planetmath page responded to my correction by taking away the counterexample but keeping the claim. Again, a reference, proof, or proper counterexample is needed to resolve this. --Steve 15:51, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

The result is correct for functions which are homogeneous of degree k . I've added the elementary proof of this result to the page (and merged "Other properties" with "Euler's theorem" as the proofs are very similar). Is the planetmath contributor worried about \alpha=0? Clearly the definition of homogeneous of degree k for k < 0 has to be modified so that the condition holds for all  \alpha \neq 0 , and I've just changed this too. Mark (talk) 16:31, 11 February 2008 (UTC)


Notation such as

\frac{\partial f}{\partial x_1} (\alpha \mathbf{x})

can be confusing: Are we differentiating the expression with respect to the first component of \mathbf{x} or do we mean the partial derivative of f with respect to its first argument evaluated at the point \alpha \mathbf{x} ?

It's therefore better to write

\frac{\partial f}{\partial x_1} (\alpha \mathbf{y}) :

now it's clear that x_1,\ldots, x_n are the arguments of f and we are differentiating with respect to the first argument of f evaluated at the point \alpha \mathbf{y} .

I've cleaned up the notation in my proof of Euler's theorem accordingly. (talk) 21:50, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree. Sorry about my incorrect edit to that effect earlier, thanks for reverting :-) --Steve (talk) 18:00, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

the name[edit]

Euler's theorem? why the name, is he the 1st guy prove this? if yes, why don't we use his work as a reference? Jackzhp (talk) 17:29, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Keep in mind the Euler lived in the 18th century and wrote mostly in Latin so not really a good reference for a modern audience. It might be worth adding the original work as a historical reference though.--RDBury (talk) 21:44, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

restriction of k for nth degree homogeneity?[edit]

What are the restrictions on k? Must k be contained within the domain of the vector space, reals, or what?

Thanks, Jgreeter (talk) 06:51, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

For arbitrary fields, k should be an integer. For the reals, it makes sense to define this notion also for real numbers k. For example, the square root is homogeneous with k=1/2.
But it seems to me that usually k is an integer. --Aleph4 (talk) 16:49, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Note on change[edit]

The Phi used in the equations, that is /varphi inside a <math> tag, was rendered differently in my browser (mobile Safari) than the &phi used in the descriptions below (see Phi#Computing) -- so I switched the descriptions to use the clumsier but definitely-consistent <math> tag construction. (talk) 06:26, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Keep it simple please[edit]

People who look up homogeneous function may not necessarily understand what "ƒ : V → W is a function between two vector spaces over a field F" means; Likewise people who know what a Banach space are not likely to wonder "what the heck is a homogeneous function" and look it up in Wikipedia. Do not scare people away from math please. And foremost, be mindful Wikipedia is basically an encyclopedia; it's meant for ordinary people to look up stuff :) --Sahir 08:41, 8 December 2015 (UTC)