Talk:IB

Requested move 13 July 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved; indications provided below show that the use of "IB" on Wikipedia does not necessarily reflect its use in the World Wide Web. -- JHunterJ (talk) 20:06, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

IB → IB (disambiguation) – acronym IB is far more likely to refer to international baccalaureate than anything else. TheSunIsAStar147147 (talk) 14:15, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support as nominator. TheSunIsAStar147147 (talk) 13:55, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Weak support. Initially I assumed there would be no way there weren't other good contenders since it's uncommon for two and three letter initials to have a primary topic. However it really does appear to be the primary topic, few other items seem to be so commonly referred to just by the initials without the full name being explained first. Searching English-language Indian/Pakistani sources, it's not that common to refer to the Intelligence Bureaus as just IB, the main use there is international baccalaureate and International Border.
Although international baccalaureate is the primary topic, this disambiguation page doesn't get that many views, only 400 / month compared to international baccalaureate's 30,000 / month. If this page is not moved, I would at least suggest that it should start with IB commonly refers to: • International Baccalaureate. – Thjarkur (talk) 17:19, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support based on the analysis done by Thjarkur above. Also, I have boldly made the change suggested about moving International Baccalaureate to the top. —C.Fred (talk) 22:47, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - This would make for a very bad WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT, and only increase the amount of uncertainty for editors and searchers, and require later maintenance for so little benefit. -- Netoholic @ 08:44, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose without further data. International Baccalaureate makes up only about 10% of massviews, so it's hard to make the subjective argument that it should be given several times more weight because it is more commonly referred to as the acronym. (How exactly do you quantify that, and how can you say for certain that more than 50% of people going to IB are looking for International Baccalaureate?) We have a way to get precise numbers, and it's called a WP:DABTEST. See Talk:MSG (disambiguation)#Requested move 2 May 2019 for an example of a successfully run test. If the DABTEST shows a clear preference for International Baccalaureate, I will support your request then. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 14:13, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment how do you use mass view tool? and what is it for? TheSunIsAStar147147 (talk) 18:07, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Go to https://pageviews.toolforge.org/massviews/ and select "Wikilinks" as your source, and paste in the URL of any Wikipedia page. The tool will compare the pageviews of every page linked from your specified page. In practice, it is primarily useful for measuring disambiguation pages. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 18:47, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose There is not enough valid evidence to support the argument that IB most commonly refers to international baccalaureate. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 16:10, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose: No evidence given that there's a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Case in point, Intelligence Bureau (India) also routinely abbreviated IB gets more views than International Baccalaureate per the page view statistics link given by King of Hearts -- Ab207 (talk) 11:39, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- comment this is because most of the views of Intelligence Bureau (India) are from well... india, and india's population is 4 times as the population of USA. USA is the country i live in, and it's also probably the country at least one other person in this discussion lives in. TheSunIsAStar147147 (talk) 13:18, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - Actually, the US has 4x the traffic as India. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 15:12, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - @TheSunIsAStar147147: Its unclear what your trying to say. English Wikipedia is not written solely for India or USA but for a global English-speaking audience of which both India and USA are a part of. Place of residence of editors should not matter in such discussions. You should see WP:NWFCTM. -- Ab207 (talk) 17:30, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support A Google search for IB gives you more results about International Baccalaureate than anything else. I Am My Self 1 (talk) 15:50, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I have set up a WP:DABTEST of all major entities called "IB". Excluding bogus entries like Help:Disambiguation and Technicolor on the massviews page, the redirects I set up account for 97% of all hits, with International Baccalaureate at 10.5%. Many of the remaining 3% appear to be quite valid, so I'd like to see International Baccalaureate (IB) clear 60% of the traffic among special-purpose redirects, and at least 2x the nearest competitor, before declaring it the primary topic. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 16:59, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.