# Talk:Indian numerals

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In the June 8 2004 revision of this document, someone cited a reference and said that indian numbering system is indegenious (wonder if thats the right word) and is not taken from the chinese. The wiki article on Arabic numerals still referes to origins for this numbering system to chinese. Can someone verify this and correct it?

Thanx.

## Fish?

The article states,

It is this fish shape that became the "10" of the Indian numerals.

I'm not sure what to make of this, since the "Indian numerals" (which the article defines to mean the Devanagari numerals) did not include a "10". Perhaps the author means that the Brahmi script used a fish for "10", and that this was passed down to later local scripts? And is this a claim that it was actually a fish glyph, or just shaped something like a fish? As far as I know, we don't know the source of any of the Brahmi numeral except the first three. kwami

## Arabic Numerals derived from Indian

Actually technically speaking, the term "Arabic Numerals" is simply a misnomer for Indian Numerals. In "Arabic Numerals" only symbols have modified slightly with time, which does not qualify them as a separate numerical system. There are separate symbols for numbers in all Indian scripts, which does not qualify each of them as a separate numeral system.

## Tamil Numerals

Many similarities can be seen between Tamil and Arabic numerals. The arabics are said to have have learnt from trade, which was with south india, via sea routes. Also Tamil has an interesting feature there is no zero in it, it shows how old the language is usage and there is special character for number ten that is actually missing in the main article !!

The term "Arabic Numerals" is not a misnomer. The West and much of the World uses Arabic Numerals, not Hindu numerals. Both Arabic and Hindu numerals belong to the Hindu-Arabic Numeral system. To say that "Arabic Numerals" is a misnomer is like saying that European languages are a misnomer since they belong to Indo-European languages and trace their origin to India, but Europeans speak European languages, not Indian ones. A similar example is of PHP and Perl or awk; PHP is derived from Perl, in turn derived from awk, but PHP is not a misnomer and it shouldn't be claimed that the correct term should be Perl or awk, it isn't.

This article [indian numerals] should concentrate on Indian numerals, not Arabic. All discussion of Arabic numerals should be referred to their page.

## My edits on 051208

I removed the Charles Seife quote, please see talk:Arabic_numerals for the reason. I also removed history of Arabic Numerals and instead linked to it. csssclll 051208

## Sanskrit numerals

the names for the sanskrit numerals are wrong. i'm correcting them to the forms on the Sanskrit#Numerals page; i'm keeping the accents only for the sake of consistency. Andrew Ollett 21:18, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

## Information to be corrected

The information written in the table under heading "Other modern Indian languages" (Malayalam numerals) is absolutely wrong. please see the site "http://www.clickeralam.org/unicode/Malayalam_ten_etc.pdf" and make necessary changes. Thanks. Nandakumarma 06:44, 21 June 2007 (UTC)M A Nandakumar

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## Indian numbering system

Why is Indian numbering system a separate article? Is it a good/bad idea to merge them? Pawyilee (talk) 16:47, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

## Power-of-ten names

I'm looking for mention that ten thousand and hundred thousand have their own one-word names, as does each power of ten on up some huge number. Since the names are missing (or I'm just bad looking), so are their etymologies. For instance, lakh gives stake as the root of the name for 100000 (mainly because I just added it), but I don't have references for roots of other names. Nor do I feel comfortable about adding a paragraph to either this or Indian numbering system article saying that each power of ten has its own name (and root) up to I-dunno-how-big. Especially since I think it must be here some place, but I'm just bad looking. Anybody, help me out? (And I don't mean back out the the way I came in.) Pawyilee (talk) 17:12, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Now I need śatá hundred.

## Redirect from Indic numerals?

I was surprised when I ended up here when looking for ‘Indic numerals’. The redirect from ‘Indic numerals’ should probably lead to ‘Eastern Arabic numerals’ instead.

Kannada language, a classical language also has numerals. Please include that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.92.62.226 (talk) 09:02, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

## is really exist ancient source or usage of the indian numerals?

Here is only examples form modern usage of the indian numerals.If they are older than arabic ones why there isn't any examples or sources about them? for zero also.--194.27.240.38 (talk) 22:49, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

## Merger discussion for Indian numerals

An article that you have been involved in editing, Indian numerals , has been proposed for merging with another article. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. Scientus (talk) 06:11, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

## Alternate versions of Indian digits 5, 8, 9

There should be information on the alternate forms of the Indian (Devanagari) digits 5, 8, 9, in addition to the standard modern forms given in the article. I'd like it to show what the alternate forms look like, who uses them and where, when, and why, whether there is any significance to choosing the alternate forms over the standard modern ones, and how to print/display them on computers and other devices.

The only information I could find online is here: http://scriptsource.org/cms/scripts/page.php?item_id=entry_detail&uid=hvzj8v9yrg

It says, "The alternates are often used in Nepal and are considered more traditional, while the standard glyphs are more modern." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.135.193.98 (talk) 07:33, 5 July 2015 (UTC)