Talk:Insurance fraud

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--Zerothis (talk) 22:30, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Horse murders insurance fraud article request[edit]

Hello, all --

I realize that this is a distasteful subject to many in the horse field, especially among those with a love of show jumpers, but the John Edwards and Rielle Hunter affair currently in the news has opened up many, many questions on the subject of the late 20th century horse murders scandal. The reason for that, in case you don't know, is that Rielle Hunter was formerly Lisa Druck, whose father, James Druck conspired to have her beloved show jumper Henry the Hawk electrocuted to collect the insurance money on him. This tragedy formed the backgtound for a 1988 novel based on Lisa Druck's life, called Story of my Life by Jay McInerney. Later, in the early to mid 1990s, the scandal was exposed to the public through articles in the New York imes and Sports Illustrated, and then through a full-length book called "Hot Blood." An FBI investigation into the horse murders led to the conviction of a number of highly placed people in the show jumper and general equatrian sports world on charges of insuracne fraud.

When Rielle Hunter's background was probed, due to her affair with John Edwards, it turned out that she and her horse were prominent victims of the horse murder insurance scam. But in trying to link this information up to her bio article, it turned up that there is no article on the subject of the horse murders at Wikipedia, doubtless because the scandal occured before the development of the world wide web. There is an article on the murder of the millionairess Helen Brach whose death, in 1977, was also connected to the horse murder scandal. An article was just created todsay, but it is not comprehensive in scope and needs to be expanded greatly lest it be deleted.

I am looking for a few good editors who have the brackground to write a horse murders article, and to link it to the Helen Brach, show jumping, and Rielle Hunter articles. No need to reply to me -- if you are interested, you know what to do. I will try to help, also, as best i can, but the topic is far from my usual fild of writing, and i would prefer to see it handled by those with the greatest depth of knowledge on the subject.

I am posting this identical request to a number of horse-rleated talk pages, so you may see it more than once, for which i apologize in advance.

Sincerely, catherine yronwode Catherineyronwode (talk) 02:43, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Links section[edit]

The first external link listed for this article is to, operated by a for-profit investigative company. The site may seek to promote the services of an organization, and is certainly not the biggest organization fighting insurance fraud. There is a non-profit major organization in the United States that seeks to fight insurance fraud, the National Insurance Crime Bureau (NICB). Recommend the current link be replaced with a link to the NICB. Their website is, and they have a direct link on their site where you can report insurance fraud (

Sirubberduckie (talk) 16:25, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Today (27 August 2009) I added a link to NICB and a reference to reporting services they offer on their site - I would like to see another editor review and decide if it should be moved. I'd like to see a small section about reporting insurance fraud and/or a link to a new Wikipedia page which can be populated with links to insurance fraud reporting resources for each US state fraud bureau, (and any international ones), law enforcement, non-profit, and possibly even for-profit reporting companies. I am not planning on adding it myself (but would be happy to help populate it if someone else added it) because of my affiliation with an insurance-related not-for-profit company.

Eisolson (talk) 20:39, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Several of the links, e.g., 2-4, also do not appear to be properly set up. They reference id tags but clicking on them isn't helpful. Perhaps someone knows what to make of their setup and can improve the usage.Czrisher (talk) 22:56, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Definition in the intro[edit]

What do you call it when the insurer commits fraud to deny payment? Is that still called insurance fraud? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:40, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it is. And this article needs to be expanded to cover fraud by insurance companies. As far as I can tell, there is not a separate article on that topic.Bill (talk) 15:50, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Erroneous information removed in Legislation Section[edit]

Edited a statement which claimed that insurance fraud was only criminalized in 48 of 50 US states. The source it points to indicates that its criminalized in all states, just to a varying degree.Napkin65 (talk) 01:13, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Insurance Companies who Defraud[edit]

This article concentrates on customers defrauding the insurance industry. To balance the article do you not think comment and information about the insurance industry defrauding their customers is in order here too:- Money Saving Expert [1], MSN Money [2], CorpWatch [3] etc...
I have no doubt Wiki members may find many documented examples of how the insurance industry defraud customers. From an individual levels like righting your car off after an accident when not truly a right-off, to a corporate levels like pumping premiums up claiming losses but making billions in profits or selling your details to unscrupulous third parties companies or mailing groups.... or even selling insurance customers don't need or want - PPI for instance.
Is anyone up for the challenge to balance this article.... after all the Financial Services Industry are quick to point the finger when it suits them financially or image wise but never admit they have been at it too.HuttonIT (talk) 11:43, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

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