Talk:International Holocaust Remembrance Day

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opening paragraph[edit]

i am sorry, but the opening paragraph of this article does what most sites do when it comes to talking about the atrocities in Europe know as the "Holocaust". all it mentions is the alleged six million Jewish deaths and turns a blind eye to the non-Jewish deaths. this could be improved. but i must also say this feeds into the belief that the holocaust is used as a tool for advancing jewish interests. Statesboropow (talk) 18:42, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

It appears that the concern about this only mentioning Jewish deaths has been resolved. It now reads "6 million Jewish people, 2 million Romani people, 250,000 mentally and physically disabled people, and 9,000 homosexual men". Are any other groups missing? 184.145.18.50 (talk) 07:35, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
The Poles are missing2A00:23C4:1E1C:3F00:658C:F826:991:BF4A (talk) 18:33, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

January 2014 discussion[edit]

If this is to be a Jewish holocaust it should be stated as such. In history there are scores of holocausts with similarly devastating effects on the people murdered in them, whether by zealots and criminals controlling a state or by others interested in purging some identifiable group. In other words if this is an international holocaust remembrance then remember all the holocausts... like more recently, in Sudan, Rwanda, Uganda, Cambodia and in the Balkans etc

The lives of Jews are no more important than the lives of others as much as some claim they are or do not acknowledge others in their past plights... and I have Jewish ethnicity. 142.165.193.234 (talk) 11:33, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

You will need to take that up with the United Nations, User:142.165.193.234. International Holocaust Remembrance Day was established in 2005 as the result of a U.N. resolution. The U.N. General Assembly specified the scope,

the United Nations will designate 27 January -– the anniversary of the liberation of the Auschwitz death camp -- as an annual International Day of Commemoration to honour the victims of the Holocaust.

In fact, there was a discussion of your concerns by representatives of three nations, earlier that year, in 2005,

MAGED ABDELFATTAH ABDELAZIZ (Egypt) said he had reservations about operative paragraphs 2 and 6 of the resolution, as well as some other aspects of its adoption. Egypt had no objection to designating 27 January as Holocaust Remembrance Day. However, the resolution failed to recognize the racist and other causes that led to the Holocaust. Also, he wanted to know why crimes against Christians and Muslims in Kosovo, Srebrencia, and elsewhere were not similarly recognized and remembered. Why should there be a remembrance day for the Jews and not for Christians and Muslims? No one had the monopoly on suffering. He believed that the resolution should cover the victims of genocide worldwide, without discrimination by ethnic group or religion...

HAYATI ISMAIL (Malaysia) said she condemned the Holocaust as a tragedy unparalleled in human history. Its lessons were universal and should be drawn upon. People would also benefit from the lessons learned from other, no less tragic events. The resolution should be broadened to incorporate not only the lessons of the Holocaust but also other acts of genocide, ethnic cleansing and war crimes.

IMERIA NÚÑEZ DE ODREMÁN (Venezuela) said that, when speaking of such an annihilation as occurred during the so-called Second World War, the international community must not fail to remember other holocausts that occurred during that terrible conflict or were uncovered later on... She said she was referring to the annihilation of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, where nuclear weapons were used without justification. Since 1945, the United States and other nations had participated in systematic genocides against the peoples of Asia, Africa and Latin America, which must be collectively remembered. Educational programmes were urgently needed to raise awareness about and discourage genocide and extermination under the pretext of hatred and racism.

Genocide and extermination were strongly discouraged already, certainly prior to the Resolution adopted by the General Assembly on the Holocaust Remembrance A/RES/60/7, on 1 November 2005. (I was not aware of systematic genocides by the USA against the peoples of Asia, Africa and Latin America since 1945. Hatred and racism doesn't seem like a reasonable pretext for much of anything.) In the text of the Resolution, the following entries provide further explanation of the U.N.'s decision,

Recalling the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, which was adopted in order to avoid repetition of genocides such as those committed by the Nazi regime, Taking note of the fact that the sixtieth session of the General Assembly is taking place during the sixtieth year of the defeat of the Nazi regime, Recalling the twenty-eighth special session of the General Assembly, a unique event, held in commemoration of the sixtieth anniversary of the liberation of the Nazi concentration camps...

I encourage you to examine the linked U.N. webpages for further details. The United Nations did NOT neglect the concerns voiced by the three members listed above. You may wish to peruse Cambodia's experience with genocide and reconciliation and NEW FINDINGS ON TREATMENT OF ROMA PEOPLE DURING WORLD WAR II both in 2012, which were two of many commemorative events of the Holocaust and the United Nations Outreach Programme regarding holocausts that did not pertain to the Jews during World War II. --FeralOink (talk) 20:38, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Other victims[edit]

The lede only mentions a sparse few groups as victims of the Holocaust, whereas in fact there were several others targeted by the Nazis. In particular, I am thinking of the Poles and Catholics (especially clergy) that were deliberately targeted by the Third Reich. Wouldn't it be better to mention these groups as well? 8bitW (talk) 22:13, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Speaking of 27[edit]

Aside from IHRD being held Jan 27 is there any other known associations between the number 27 and the Holocaust? I heard this but I can't find anything. 184.145.18.50 (talk) 07:35, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Why do you expect some additional link between the number 27 and the Holocaust? Surely, if there was some further connection, it would be fairly widely known and not esoteric. Norvo (talk) 03:50, 19 March 2017 (UTC)