Talk:Iona Yakir

"Yakir reportedly opposed the arrest of Nikolai Bukharin"

Sorry, that's but later commie propaganda, from Khrushchev's period. It is just not true.

There was a central comitee meeting, where Yezhov proposed Bukharin and Rykov (former PM) be "expulsed from the party, arrested, put to trial and shot". Several comrades, one of them Khrushchev, carefully oposed, proposing a milder formula: "expulse, arrest and put to trial".

Stalin himself proposed a compromise, "to return the matter to the NKVD, until comrade Yezhov collected more facts". Stalin only supported proposals if he was sure they would be accepted univocally.

Yakir and Kosariov insisted on accepting the extreme Yezov's formula, "expulse, arrest, put to trial and shot".

It is very interesting that both Yakir and Kosariov were executed a year before Bukharin and Rykov ! AbuAmir 04:53, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

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Absolutely right. I'll take yout text as is Lushi

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POV

Suvorov is not a reliable source. Yakir's miltary efforts are not that dumb, etc. etc.

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The sign "The neutrality of this article is disputed" shall be removed because I edited the article using recent Western and post-Soviet scholarly research. E. W. 6.9. 2006

• Done. Thanks, Eli, for your great work abakharev 15:40, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

More publication, all in Russian. Some are polemicks using invented "facts" and have no any value. The are "interesting" only as reflection of post-Soviet fringe Russian or Ukrainian nationalism.

1. a short biography, mainly ortodox communist
2. more or less the same short ortodox biography, only the cozacs massacre mentioned
3. gives TWO biographies, one strictly ortodox, the other mentions the cosacks, and plainly says he supported rykov/bucharin execution

1. by Эдуард ЗУБ, this article analyses/ criticises many of yakir's acts and behaveours, claiming: neither great vilain, nor a saint hero, but a typical communist lordling
2. chinese batalion, ortodox communist version
3. TROTSKY ABOUT THE PURGE
4. Memoirs by Bukharin's widow Larina; see page 259 YAKIR did NOT support Rykov-Bucharin execution, so told orally Yakir's ex-wife, . Or: see page 260 Yes he DID. Alternative version based on an official document, used by Volkogonov AND Suvorov. This document, shown here, might be edited to Stalin's needs. . AbuAmir 05:20, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

POV

This new version wipes out yakir's invention of

• using mercenaries in a civil war,
• attrosities against civil nonfighting population (kozacks).
• support of political terror in Bukharin's case.

The documental proofs for the above, is available online ("verifiable"). Where are yours?

This makes your whole writing a supplement to the propaganda, as you take the "NEUTRALITY" for your own.

to POV

Regarding "facts" available on Internet please read, for example, above mentioned "facts" by certain Afanas'ev. There are Jewish Bolsheviks are part of Zionist conspiracy with "citation" from Trotsky. It is Wikipeida and we have to provide reliable facts, not our opinions and our prejudices. E. W.

Neutrality

I've looked through the article briefly, and I have some concerns about its neutrality. This is especially caused by the fact that overwhelming parts of this article lack inline citations (such as the entire "In the Civil War" section). Some phrases that caught my attention: "He carried out Lenin's order of persecution of Cossack civilian population." - I've never heard of Lenin ordering the persecution of Cossacks. I've only heard of such things happening under Stalin.

"Yakir undertook one of the most remarkable Civil War military operations." - This, and "this fact does not negate his own role in planning and leading the campaign." seem to be rather peacocky descriptions.

"Stalin instructed his crony Kliment Voroshilov" - calling someone a crony generally isn't very neutral.

"made the Red Army into most advanced army in the world." - definitely a pov issue.

"Stalin would not allow to his military commanders any independent thinking" - The entire section portrays Stalin as evil and insensitive and Yakir as a model, loyal party member. That, while it may be true, seems to be unnecessarily detailed and also seems to praise him too much in that regard.

The article could also use some copy editing. --Slon02 (talk) 04:12, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

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