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Date of Birth

If someone has a subscription to a genealogy website perhaps they could do a search on census records. RohypnolFTW (talk) 13:58, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I can't remember how to do this properly - perhaps someone can edit the page for me - ta

GRO records

Name: James Lonsdale Bryans

Year of Registration: 1893

Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun

District: Hendon (1837-1947)

County: Middlesex

Volume: 3a

Page: 166 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.132.48.96 (talk) 17:50, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

His father (1901 census) was stained glass artist Herbert Bryans James pob is Harrow Address is 38 Chester Terrace, Regent's Park

Thanks for the info, that fits with a letter in the offical MI5 documentation that describes him as 48 years old in 1941, Would be gret to get an exact date. RohypnolFTW (talk) 18:29, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Update, I have his date of birth its in image 5 of the MI5 papework 10.5.1893 RohypnolFTW (talk) 19:22, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Date of Death

Can anyone find his date of Death from a genealogy website? RohypnolFTW (talk) 23:42, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Visited Italy i.o. Switzerland?

BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7589251.stm) talk about that he met Von Hassel in Italy i.o. in Switzerland? Does this need to be corrected here, or are there other records proving the opposite? Stephanvaningen (talk) 19:14, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In the MI5 paperwork it states that he met made arrangements to travel to Venice, so it appears the meeting may have took place in Venice, Italy, but it also says he travelled to Switzerland, it is definately unclear I will endeavour to read every part of the pdfs but alot of it isn't legible. I can send you the pdf's if you wish RohypnolFTW (talk) 19:19, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rudolf Hess Connection

On the Dutch page there appears to be a connection with Rudolf Hess, and references to presumabley dutch/german sources, could someone who can translate elaborate? RohypnolFTW (talk) 23:54, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"The Bryan overtures were the backdrop for the peacemaking mission of Rudolf Hess, who believed that London contained a group of prominent politicians and nobility who were prepared for peace." i.e. There was no direct relationship to Hess. Autodidactyl (talk) 09:24, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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There a number of problems with this article. It says Ulrich von Hassell was the German ambassador to Italy in 1940, which is quite a feat because Hitler fired Hassell as his ambassador to Italy in 1938. Bryans was trying to contact German conservatives like Hassell to discuss the peace terms which Britain would make with a post-Nazi Germany. This article is really wrong in insinuating that Bryans was trying to set up a peace deal with Nazi Germany in 1940. --A.S. Brown (talk) 04:55, 23 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

A few other potential sources:

Tate, Tim (6 September 2018), Hitler’s British Traitors: The Secret History of Spies, Saboteurs and Fifth Columnists, Icon Books Ltd, ISBN 978-1785784057
Padfield, Peter (2013), Hess, Hitler and Churchill: The Real Turning Point of the Second World War - A Secret History, Icon Books Ltd, ISBN 9781848316188
- Padfield, Peter (2014), Night Flight to Dungavel: Rudolf Hess, Winston Churchill, and the Real Turning Point of WWII, ForeEdge, ISBN 9781611685718 Note this may be the same book as Hess, Hitler and Churchill...
Hoffmann, Peter (1996), History of the German Resistance, 1933-1945, McGill-Queen's Press, ISBN 9780773515314
- Hoffmann, Peter (2011), Behind Valkyrie: German Resistance to Hitler, Documents, McGill-Queen's Press, ISBN 9780773587151

Self-published unreliable source:

Pile, Jonathan (21 March 2012), Churchill's Secret Enemy, Pile and Associates, ISBN 9781471641800

-- Toddy1 (talk) 22:24, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]