Talk:History of the Jews in New York City

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This entire page requires citation. There's 2 citations and one of them cites proof that NYC was once known as New Amsterdam.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Asapra (talk • contribs) 15:51, 29 June 2009‎ (UTC)[reply]

Blatantly contradictory passage

Under the subsection New York City Jewish population, this passage appears:

"There are approximately 1.97 million Jews (as of 2001) in the New York City Metropolitan Area, making it the second largest Jewish community in the world, after the Gush Dan metropolitan area in Israel. However, Tel Aviv proper has a smaller population of Jews than New York City proper, making New York City the largest community of Jews in the world."

Is it or isn't it? Of course, this passage would like to say that if you define "Jewish community" one way, then Gush Dan is the largest; another way it would be the New York City Metropolitan Area. (Wait! Or, would that be just New York City, as in the second sentence? This is the second major contradiciton in this passage!)

But, it makes no effort to say what it is trying to say. As a result, it is full of contradictions (O.K., it has two contradictions.)

In any case, it needs to be fixed. By someone more familiar with world demographics than I am.Daqu (talk) 18:41, 7 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Jewish population definitions

From what I know, New York city proper has 1.1 million observant Jews, while the metro area (NY, NJ and CT) has a total of 1.7 million. The city's Jewish population declined in half a century, while the metro area has somewhat grown. This is about observant Jews, not Jews who don't follow Judaism nor religion nor attend synagogue, half-Jewish people or any Jewish ancestry. 67.49.89.214 (talk) 10:18, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello,

I plan on adding information to the History sections of this article with information I found in The Jews of the United States: 1654 to 2000 by Hasia R. Diner.

As this Wikipedia article is a compilation of facts and events, I have a few from the source that are to be added without revising other content already on the page. Diner's work includes statistics, and he states that New York was the home to about 45% of all American Jews by the 1920s (p. 112). There was an influx of Russian, Lithuanian, Polish immigrants to New York in mid 1800s. They managed to keep a firm grasp on their Eastern European culture and brought their food, style of education, and language (p. 123).

The only existing subject matter I would like to add to is the sentence or two on day schools. Jewish institutions were become less Jewish and more American. There was a second school to follow in footsteps of B'nai Jereshun, called Polonies Talmud Torah, that did not require being enrolled in the congregation. American culture had influenced and affected the second generation and reformed Judaism took off (p. 143).

There are also many broader cultural aspects that Diner discusses, such as professions, language, and the overall immigrant experience in the United States. I could possibly create a new section on the article devoted to the Jewish experience in New York City.

Feel free to give any suggestions here or on my talk page.

- Lucy — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lucy8596 (talk • contribs) 09:39, 16 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Shopkeeper photo?

@Gilabrand: in this edit you added a photo of a "Jewish shopkeeper". Is there something that supports the claim that he's Jewish? If not, then this fails WP:V and should be removed. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:39, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Benjamin Schafler is a Jewish name, and the person who uploaded the photo, who is a Jew, states in the description that it is a photo of his grandfather, so yes, he is Jewish.--Geewhiz (talk) 15:50, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Saying somebody is Jewish because they have a Jewish-sounding name is pretty dicy. I see that this is a photo of the uploader's grandfather, but how do you know the uploader is Jewish? Yes, it's likely that the subject of the photo is Jewish, but we really want something more authoritative to meet WP:V.

Perhaps it could be replaced with File:Jewish life - Jewish peddler, New York City LCCN2003665496.jpg, or File:Elderly Hasidic man in New York City (10685158766).jpg, or something from Category:Judaism in New York City? -- RoySmith (talk) 16:24, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Those photos are not typical of Jews of New York. They show only a specific small sect. The photo uploaded here is of a Jewish grocer/ delicatessen owner, a more generic character, characteristic of the 1920s-1930s family shop owners in New York. Also it is of better quality, rather than a blurry, faded mess like the other photos you suggest. Eliel Joseph is a Hebrew name, by the way.I am not guessing that he is Jewish.--Geewhiz (talk) 16:33, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, if you have any doubts about the identity of the photographer, have a look at his other photographic contributions in WikiCommons. He states that he lives in Israel and his photographs are all related to Jewish culture.--Geewhiz (talk) 16:38, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Actively contradictory percentages

Does the Jewish Community make up 9% of New York, with 1.6 million people? Or do 1.6 million religious Jews make up 8 percent, with another 10 percent (or maybe 18 percent) being ethnically Jewish? This is the first paragraph, get your numbers straight TTTime05 (talk) 13:22, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Article name change

Hello there. I've moved the article to its current name to match the pattern of every similar page in the United States. - see Category:Jewish-American history by city. I decided to WP:BEBOLD and change it. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:29, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Crown Heights Riots Section Biased

The section about the crown heights riots makes a clear value-judgment about the riots—calling to attention acts of violence committed against Jews by Black people, but not the other way around. In reality, the violence committed during the riot was not so one-sided. Tennisgurl15 (talk) 04:17, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]