Talk:Karnataka/Archive 3

Image of Empires

I added pictures of empires set in Karnataka. This makes the History of Karnataka look better and balanced because the left side of the pictures goes well with the right. It makes the history of Karnataka look powerful and great as it is in History. (Dewan S. Ahsan 06:46, 4 January 2009 (UTC))

Gallery

I dicided to add a gallery in Tourism section. Dewan S. Ahsan 07:04, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Tourism

I see there is no picture in the tourism section. If someone please add some. Thankyou159.91.18.208 (talk) 17:45, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Images

I just did some shuffling of images to bring in more balance. "Geography" section did not have any images, whereas as all other sections had one or more images. 1. Moved Jog Falls image from Tourism to Geography, with an explanation related to Sharavathi river. 2. Moved GolGumbaz image from History section to Tourism section. I hope, this is acceptable by all other contributors. If it can be improved further, or needs a change, please discuss. Probably one more image would do for Geography section. Thanks, - KNM ^Talk 17:09, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. The images now look balanced across all sections. As KNM says, we should look at adding a map in the Geography section depicting the various geographical regions (Malenadu, Bayaluseeme and Karavali). May be we should could request someone at Wikipedia:WikiProject_India_Maps to help us on this. -- Naveen ^(talk) 17:16, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

comment We should consider replacing the Dharwad Pedha image with the Church image that currently exists in the Tourism section. This Church in Mysore, beautiful as it is, is not really famous for tourism. In the tourism section, we should perhaps add a Badami Chalukya temple image. Pattadakal is a WHS and I think it deserves a spot in the Tourism section.thanksDineshkannambadi 17:25, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Also, the current Narasimha image from Hampi may not fully convey the impact of this grand place to the viewer.Dineshkannambadi 17:28, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Can we consider either Tipu's death image or Krishna Raja Wodeyar's image, in place of Narasimha image. Any other suggestions? - KNM ^Talk 17:36, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

choice of images Tipu's death
K.Wodeyar IV
Hampi Virupaksha temple (WHS)
Mysore Palace .....
Dineshkannambadi

But replacing Narasimha's image may not be a good idea given the historical significance of Narasimha's statue. Gnanapiti 17:44, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I have gone ahead and replaced St. Philomena's with Mysore Palace because of the citation I found (and which I have added) and which is an extremely important fact for the Tourism section. I also propose to replace any one of the images that have date artefacts in the history section with Tipu's death. -- ¿Amar៛^{Talk to me/My edits} 17:46, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

OK. As I see it from above discussion, it sounds like we should continue to keep Narasimha's statue image for its historical significance, and replace Image:Dodda Basappa Temple.JPG with Tipu's death image. Am I correct in summarizing this? Any oppositions for this? - KNM ^Talk 17:52, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

IMO, Virupaksha is more significant. Is there any policy against including a 4 image gallery at the bottom, (perhaps stretched). Here we could do justice to some images that deserve a place on the article but is being suffocated by lack of space.?Dineshkannambadi 17:57, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Ideally I would prefer a history section on the likes of Peru or Indonesia where the images contain something more than just architecture. However, I would go with the consensus opinion -- ¿Amar៛^{Talk to me/My edits} 18:05, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Regarding Dodda Basappa, its the only plan of its type in India. There is a citaton for it too in the architecture section. But thats a tough arguement since KA is so full of unique monuments....Tipu's painting shows Tipus defeat, perhaps a painting of his victory at Pollilur? We sould persue the idea of a gallery if it does not ruin the "getup" of the article.Dineshkannambadi 18:11, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I am not sure if FA rules allow a gallery, someone who is FA-savvy would be able to answer this. Moreover, what images to add and what not to add in that gallery will be a big discussion in itself, which is better to be avoided unless really required. -- ¿Amar៛^{Talk to me/My edits} 18:18, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I understand Amar's argument. But we have to go with what the world knows us far.Dineshkannambadi 18:12, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Please take a call Dinesh. I am OK with whatever proposal you come up with. -- ¿Amar៛^{Talk to me/My edits} 18:18, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I am as confused as anyone else:) Dineshkannambadi 18:22, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

LOL. I think we all agree that there are too many architecture-related images in History section and we can replace atleast one of them. So we have to find one of them and replace it with Tipu's death or Battle of Polilur. I chose Tipu's death cause the clarity is much better than Battle of Polilur and more over the IV Anglo Mysore War was a significant historical event in Karnataka that changed the course of Karnataka's history. -- ¿Amar៛^{Talk to me/My edits}

Though perhaps the Pedha image could be replaced with a "Karga", or any traditional "Veerashaiva" dance/drama image to maintain balance with Yakshagana.Dineshkannambadi 18:25, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Gnanapiti, what is your opinion? Dinesh, are you referring to this image of Virupaksha temple? I will go ahead and replace Dodda Basappa image with Tipu's death image. Regarding Virupaksha v/s Narasimha images, we can decide based upon this discussion. - KNM ^Talk 18:31, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

No, I meant something like this. image of Virupaksha temple.Dineshkannambadi 18:34, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

(unindent) On the Q of the Narasimha statue, I agree with Dinesh that the Virupaksha temple is more significant than the Narasimha. In fact, if we could find a good picture of the Kallina ratha, it would be ideal. Also until we can get a topographic map of Ktaka prepared, I feel having the Jog image is a good idea. The Dharwad Peda image could be replaced with Mummudi or Nalvadi KRW's considering that they made immense contributions in making Mysore the cultural capital of South India in the post-Vijayanagara era. I would favour Nalvadi because his contributions went beyond just culture and he also had a hand in modernising Mysore/Ktaka. Also, I feel having M or N KRW's images will add to the educational value of the article. Most people know the Peda, but sadly, not many know of the colossal contributions and impact the Mysore kings had on Karnataka and South India. The Dodda Basappa temple looks beautiful. The Hoysala image could perhaps be replaced with Tipu's if there is consensus for it. The reason is that, imo three images in History section all about architecture is overkill. We could perhaps try to have a pre-Vijayanagara image, a Vijayanagara image and post-Vijayanagara image. Tipu could be the 'post-Vijayanagara' image and the Chalukya temple the pre-V image. Also, the Halmidi pic needs to be added to language section along with Kuvempu. Just some thoughts. Sarvagnya 18:37, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

S, you say all the things that makes me happy and breaks my heart:):). My humble personal preference is,

History Hoysala (sculpture), Badami Chalukya (Virupaksha), Kalyani Chalukya (Dodda Basappa), Vijayanagara (keep Narasimha, since we have Virupaksha from Badami). Sorry about the twist:) The Ratha is very compelling too.

Culture Yakshagana, KRW III or IV

Religion Gomateshwara

Language Halmidi inscription (I can bring in another image from my collection. How could I forget after having missed an entire lunch for this trip:)

Tourism Gol Gumbuz, Mysore Palace

Dont laugh, but is there any reason why the image of Ellora complex built by Rashtrakutas needs to be left out? Dineshkannambadi 18:47, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

We now have two images from Mysore, the Palace and Tipu. If we add NKRW, that will be three. We could limit it to one image per era.Dineshkannambadi 19:06, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Sarvagnya and Dinesh on images to be used in history section. Halmidi inscription for the language section is also a good idea. Gnanapiti 19:19, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

We need to decide in a few hours.Dineshkannambadi 19:45, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

How about Badami Chalukya Virupaksha in History instead of Tipu, replace Pedha with Veerashaiva folk art and add one more image, Kalyani Chalukya - Dodda Basappa to Tourism.? This way we keep one image from each era, dont over crow the hisory section.Dineshkannambadi 20:05, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

All: Per above consensus on adding Halmidi inscription image, I have gone ahead and added that image into Language section, to pair up with the existing Kuvempu image. I believe, atleast for now, we can live with the current combination of images across all the sections. The article is going to be live on front page in an hour from now. Agreed? Comments? Thanks, - KNM ^Talk 21:06, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Balance

comment I counted 11 images from S.Karnataka and 2 from N.Karnataka. Can we address this imbalance?Dineshkannambadi 21:09, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, I think Karnataka Emblem, Kuvempu, Anil Kumble, Vijaya Karnataka Newspaper and Indian roller - these four are neutral in terms of geographical balance, and these images are applicable to entire state.

GolGumbaz, Ugra Narasimha, Dharwad Pedha represent north Karnataka.

Yakshagana, Jog Falls represent western Karnataka.

Hoysala image from Belur, and Halmidi inscription represent Central.

Bangalore(Vidhana Soudha, King Fisher etc) and Mysore (Mysore Palace, Tipu Sultan) images represent southern Karnataka. - KNM ^Talk 21:19, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

ASI lists Hampi in S. Karnataka. Halmidi is in Belur which is South KA.Dineshkannambadi 21:26, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

The very first line of Hampi article states: Hampi (Kannada: ಹಂಪೆ, Hampe in Kannada) is a village in northern Karnataka. :) Nevertheless, with Aihole image addition, the article looks more balanced now. Thanks, - KNM ^Talk 22:33, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Hmm.. the question of regional balance is certainly pertinent. In fact, it was also what I had in mind when I asked for Hoysala to be replaced with the chalukya temple. Other than that, I am sure we can be on the lookout for good and significant pics from N Karnataka and add them whenever we find them. Right now, I think it is fairly balanced. Also considering that most of our great historical empires were from N Karnataka and considering the size of the history section, I feel N Karnataka is also well represented. Pictures, of course, we can be on the lookout. But right now, I feel with the consensus changes discussed above, the article should be fine. Sarvagnya 21:43, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Hoysala is too important to remove, I suggest we remove Tipu's battle and replace with Badami Chalukya-Virupaksha. We should consider adding Kalyani Chalukya to Tourism since we have those images and the section currently has only two images.Dineshkannambadi 21:46, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Better yet, a Aihole image - The cradle of S.Indian architecture?Dineshkannambadi 22:01, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

hmm.. a Aihole image will surely be a welcome addition. Please add it if you have a good one in mind. Ultimately I feel we should start categorizing pics properly on commons and make a comprehensive gallery. And the link to the gallery can be dropped in the see also/ktaka template. Sarvagnya 22:16, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

ok. Added.Dineshkannambadi 22:18, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Aihole image looks very good. - KNM ^Talk 22:29, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Tipu image

In the thumbnail mode as presented in the article, the drawing of Tipu's death in the warfield, is not appearing that good. Should we consider replacing it with the portrait of Tipu Sultan, instead? - KNM ^Talk 22:41, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes... I also had the same feeling. In fact, when I spoke of the Tipu image above, I had the portrait picture in mind. Sarvagnya 22:44, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Fine. I have replaced death paiting image with the portrait. It looks much better now, in thumbnail mode. Thanks - KNM ^Talk 22:51, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Tipu's image looks good.Dineshkannambadi 23:50, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I think we should add a Vodeyar King photo/Krishna Devaraya/Rani Abbakka/Keladi Chennamma whoes contribution is significant to Karnataka. We can consider rotation as well. Also note Tippu's contribution is highly controversial.

~rAGU (talk)

Recording

I was going to record this in preparation for its featured front page status but it seems every sentence has a word I have no idea how to say. I have a basic understanding of how the language should sound but how well would people feel if everything became Anglicized? I think perhaps for some articles, a recording is important to understand how names sound as natively as possible. .:DavuMaya:. 23:49, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Good suggestion. I feel the article needs some more trimming and cleanup and after that, I'm sure WP:Karnataka will take up the recording work. Thanks for bringing this up. Sarvagnya 01:39, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

On Main Page

Congratulations to each and every contributor of this article!! It is on Main page now!!. Thanks for all your efforts!!! Today is the anniversary of the state formation. Best Wishes of Karnataka Rajyotsava!. - KNM ^Talk 00:11, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Ditto. Congratulations to the contributors for making this happen. AreJay 01:30, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations to all contributors. I suggest following improvements. 1) Please replace all graphs with white background for better visibility. 2)It is better to avoid individuals photo to avoid controversies. Replace Kumble's photo with photo of Chinnasamy stadium--Indianstar 01:36, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations, it sure is befitting to be featured on this day. Last year would've been still better, but this is good nevertheless. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 03:54, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Congrats to all fellow Kannadigaru and kudos to all contributors, with special mention to Dinesh Kannambadi, Sarvagnya, KNM, amarrg. Happy 51st Kannada Rajyotsava to all--Hamsavanidasa 06:25, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Can "Cinema of Karnataka" get a small mention on the Karnataka article with a link to the cinema page, preferably with a picture of Dr.Rajkumar, on the same lines as the sections on culture and language. -- Hamsavanidasa 06:30, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea. Lets wait for today to pass, then we can formulate a suitable line for that sentence.thanksDineshkannambadi 13:43, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

POV?

Please don't take offence, but IMHO, this sounds a little over the top: "Great philosophers and musical bards patronised by these empires launched socio-religious and literary movements whose ennobling effects have been felt far and wide." Regards - Amit@Talk 12:25, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Have you heard of people like Basava, Purandaradasa, Madhvacharya? If you had, you would not have posted the above message.Dineshkannambadi 13:40, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Hey, can't you understand "please don't take offence"? As a matter of fact I admit I haven't heard of any of them. But all I did was point out, in good faith, that phrases like "far and wide" are not encouraged in Wikipedia, and could be replaced with something more precise, like "across south India" or "across South Asia." That is unless you're bent on calling me a North Indian supremacist pig, in which case nothing will satisfy you Amit@Talk

Thanks. Lets wait for the day to pass. We can then make the necessary changes based on consensus. Dineshkannambadi 14:50, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

BTW, the statue of Basava (last year) and Kittur Rani Chennamma (september) were installed near the Indian Parliament building in New Delhi by the President of India.[[1]]Dineshkannambadi 14:53, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Someone, perhaps you, has now changed it to "...have endured to this day". I think it looks better now. Also, as you may be aware, FA articles usually end up in better shape at the end of the day they're featured because they get the attention of more editors. Cheers! Amit@Talk 15:10, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I changed that.. I think about 16-17 hours ago. I was surprised that you brought it up after I had changed it. Guess you went by the blurb. Never mind. Sarvagnya 16:13, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

demographics diagram

india defender,

I removed the diagram graphically showing the religious distribution in karnataka. Where did you get the figure of 11% for christians when the census shows 1.91% as also supported by the paragraph on demographics. Please correct the numbers and redo the graph so that it is in agreement with the census.

Murali —Preceding unsigned comment added by Murali83 (talk • contribs) 07:47, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Although the actual figure is 9%, you're right; it's all a little out of whack. However please use the edit summary function to avoid confusion when removing material from now on ;-) Nigholith (talk) 09:09, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Yup, I will do that, but why bring in another number here without stats, where did you get 9%, I mean, as a statistician, it really pains me when people quote numbers which have no proof, do you think census bureau is a bunch of jokers when they say that 1.91% of karnataka practises christianity. do clarify... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Murali83 (talk • contribs) 10:29, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

The figure used by Indiandefender2 for the Christian demographics is 9%, not 11%; to clarify my last comment. I would assume the figures used in the image were in line with an official source, though perhaps an outdated one. Nigholith (talk) 11:03, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

well,

i shall discuss that with indiandefence, thanks for your quick response, sadly his figures dont even match with what is there in the paragraph in wikipedia on demographics of Karnataka. I just hope it is not laziness to redo the graph.

Murali

Music

Nadapriya, this article is a featured article, and to retain its highest quality in Wikipedia, significant modifications to the article need to be discussed first. Can you please share with other editors what you are intending to add/modify, and along with the reliable sources attributing that information. Thanks - KNM ^Talk 18:59, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Sports

Anil Kumble has resigned as captain during the Australia test series. I guess this should be reflected in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Netroy (talk • contribs) 14:39, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Notable

It is suggested to have this section. Any reasons not to have? DineshKannambadi deleted the followings.

Notable people of Karnataka

- * Anil Kumble - * Rajkumar - * Mokshagundam Visvesvarayya - * Gundappa Viswanath - * Kuvempu - * D. R. Bendre

--Tangi-tamma (talk) 13:22, 8 March 2008 (UTC) --Tangi-tamma (talk) 13:23, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

All these personalities have already been mentioned in the article and have been wiki-linked. No need to create a seperate section for them.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 13:48, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

It's not just these ; a few more or many more (which we may edit or delete if found not to be listed here) may be added down the road by others. It is good to have a summary at one place for Karnataka. Many artcicles on Wikipedia have this section.

The criteria to add might be they should not have redlinks.

--Tangi-tamma (talk) 14:11, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Sir, this is a summary styled Featured article. The list of important people from Karnataka runs into hundreds. We can't possibly have that list here. I believe a seperate article already exists for that.thanks.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 15:27, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Reffing style

This needs a cleanout I think, unless I have a misunderstanding of the crieria. A lot of them have "work=Online version of..., dated=DATE", but there is no need to put "online" since the URL is linked, and the date goes by itself and should just be "date=2005-01-02" and whatever and the work removed. I have started changing some. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:06, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out. I will see and have them corrected. - KNM ^Talk 02:25, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

article review

Hi., i was going thru the article on various states (to see how i can use it to improve Andhra Pradesh) and since this is one of the FA, i reviewed this article extensively. I found quite a few review comments that i would want someone working closely on this article to address:

• "Karnataka has also been home to some of the most powerful empires of ancient India" - the only one of major relevance (pan-India) is Vijayanagar empire. Even with the vijayanagar empire, the span of influence was limited to peninsular India. Others are not well known outside the local region. Please tone down the sentence. Also, avoid using the term ancient India (medivial India might be a better used term)

Badami Chalukya, Kalyani Chalukya (Western Chalukya Empire) and Rashtrakuta empires are all large empires and were centred in Karnataka. In fact, the Rashtrakuta empire is one of the larger ones in Indian History.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 16:46, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Vijayanagara also rules parts of Orissa. Chalukyas defeated Harsha. Now can we say that Harsha's empire was confined to North India so all things there should be toned down? "well known" is a POV.

• Bengaluru is the official name of Karnataka's capital. Please replace. when using the term of Karnataka's capital - it is better to use the official version rather than the popular version. Best to call it "Bengaluru (popularly known by it's former name Bangalore)"

This dispute has been ongoing on the Bangalore talk page.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 16:46, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Bangalore is popular only outside Karnataka. It is popular as Bengaluru in Karnataka.

• "These dynasties were followed by imperial Kannada empires such as the Badami Chalukyas,[12][13] the Rashtrakuta Empire of Manyakheta[14][15] and the Western Chalukya Empire,[16][17] which ruled over large parts of the Deccan and had their capitals in what is now Karnataka." The statement gives history in solitude without placing it in context to local and pan-India environment (for eg. the chola and pandya empires were also operating at the same time and the early muslim rulers were prevelant in the north). Mention of powerful kingdoms of the time in the local and pan-Indian environment needs to be mentioned to give the correct sense of the might of these empires.

The Cholas peaked after the Rashtrakutas and before the Western Chalukyas. There were several North Indian kingdoms operating at that time, to get an idea of which, the reader should go into the FA of that particuar empire. I dont see why all those names should appear on this page.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 16:46, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

• "The expansion of the Hoysala Empire brought parts of modern Andhra Pradesh and Tamil Nadu under its rule." There is no need for this statement. We are talking of political history of medivial times and trying to compare it to modern territories is not of any relevance here.

Actually thats why the word "modern" is mentioned so the reader gets the context. No one would understand if it was written like this The Hoysalas extended their territory south of Kaveri and east of the Gutti for instance and may itself open up to controversy.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 16:46, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

• "In 1565, Karnataka and the rest of South India" - simplify it to "In 1565, southern India"

• ", nearly three decades before the Indian Rebellion of 1857." - is this term even required? looks like the term was added in an attempt to compare these efforts to the Indian rebellion of 1857. these rebellions were impactful enough that it doesn't need some other events to prop their importance levels.

• Other uprisings followed, such as the ones at Supa, Bagalkot, Shorapur, Nargund and Dandeli. These rebellions which coincided with the 1857 war of independence were led by Mundargi Bhimarao, Bhaskar Rao Bhave, the Halagali Bedas, Venkatappa Nayaka and others: Please refer to the article on Indian Rebellion of 1857, there is no mention of significant rebellion below the Vindyas. The sentence needs to be restructured to tone down participation in the Indian rebellion

• "Seven of India's leading banks, " - in the list, only Canara Bank will feature in the top 10 banks of India. remove the term as it is not required (instead if there is a need to highlight the density of bank HQs, please compare how the ranking of state in # of bank HQs vis-a-vis other states)

• "the best distribution of banks in India" - is it the "best" or the "highest"? If it is not the highest, please remove the term as it is region-promoting rather than fact stating

• "Major airlines such as Kingfisher Airlines and Air Deccan are based in Bangalore." Kingfisher and Deccan have merged and hence re-word the sentence "Kingfisher Airlines is based out of the Bangaluru airport". Mention the new bagaluru airport.

• "Evidence from edicts during the time of Ashoka the Great suggest that the Kannada script and its literature were influenced by Buddhist literature." I think that this statement has been disputed in the kannada literature talk page. please reword appropriately

I agree.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 16:46, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

• "Many cricketers have represented India and in one international match held in the 1990s; players from Karnataka composed the majority of the national team.[113][114]" - reword statement to better provide clarity. suggestion - Prominent Karnataka cricketers to have represented India include .... (list key names including kumble, chandrasekhar, dravid, srinath). Dravid & Kumble have captained India in test and ODI cricket. In the mid-1990s, karnataka teammates Srinath and Prasad were the opening bowling pair for India in cricket. In 1996, six of the 11 players in a ODI match against South Africa played in Bangalore were from Karnataka. In 1999, six of the 11 players in a test match against New Zealand played in Mohali were from Karnataka.

• "Karnataka has a rich diversity of flora and fauna." - no need for the statement. the ensuing paragrah adequately illustrates the show, don't tell policy.

• need references -
  • These forests support 25% of the elephant and 10% of the tiger population of India.

• • Many regions of Karnataka are as yet unexplored, so new species of flora and fauna are found periodically.

• please add "see also" reference to Wikitravel pages on bangalore, mysore, karnataka at the beginning of the tourism section.

• "By virtue of its varied geography and long history, Karnataka hosts numerous spots of interest for tourists. There is an array of ancient sculptured temples, modern cities, scenic hill ranges, unexplored forests and endless beaches." - no need for the statement. subsequent place descriptions provides readers with adequate data to make their own judgement. Infact the third statement - "Karnataka has been ranked as the fourth most popular destination for tourism among the states of India." is a greater fact statement to open the section.

• "Karnataka has the second highest number of nationally protected monuments in India, second only to Uttar Pradesh" - please state the number of nationally protected monuments

Actually its around 612.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 16:46, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

• "Karnataka has 25 wildlife sanctuaries and five national parks. Popular among them are Bandipur National Park, Bannerghatta National Park and Nagarhole National Park." - mentioned in the previous section and hence no need to mention here again.

--Kalyan (talk) 02:42, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Religion

I'm user '70.72.222.220'. I recently joined Wikipedia.

I believe that the religion section of the article is essential to explain to Wiki viewers if the religious customs of the people of Karnataka! I believe it is very important to discuss the caste diversity amongst Hindu devotees. - Cryptographer

Link to religious violence

Hello 84.22.237.38 You removed the link to religious violence saying: Wikipedia is an encyclopedia,and not a news site

This is incorrect. Wikipedia does follow current events as well.

Cheers --vvarkey (talk) 16:40, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes, Yes wikipedia does follow current events, but your edits pertaining to religious violence were in the wrong page. My comment was in context with karnataka page only. Cheers —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.60.114.142 (talk) 18:50, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Link to Carnatic Music

Carnatic article has serious errors. This FA article should remove the link till they are corrected. Someone maintaining this article should take immediate action either to remove the link or to correct the Carnatic music article. Otherwise it will impact the good reputation of this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.55.126.193 (talk) 08:27, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Jog Falls

is a gorgeous photo, but I don't think it needs to exist twice in the same article. - Hordaland (talk) 17:30, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out. This has now been corrected - ¿Amar៛^{Talk to me/My edits} 04:32, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

link Prasanna to his page

pls link Prasanna to his page under Culture title. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.180.220.36 (talk) 20:13, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Reverted to Dec30th Version

Too many image related edits that was sandwiching text has been reverted by me. This is not expected of a FA. I hope no one takes this personally. Let's maintain one stable version of the article, as far as possible. Also, image gallaries are not allowed, especially in FA's. Regards.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 21:39, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Languages spoken

Karnataka has atleast 5 distinctly different spoken languages, Kannada, Konkani, Tulu, Coorgi and Navayathi. Unlike the dialects and variations of Kannada itself spoken in different parts of Karnataka the other cannot be understood by each other. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chandanrdas (talk • contribs) 05:52, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Fine tell me,which state you belong then i will tell the history of your state and don't brack... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.172.25.125 (talk) 05:12, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

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Flag of Karnataka

Please show that the yellow and red flag is the official flag of the state of Karnataka, regardless of how intensely it is used as a symbol of Karnataka by non governmental agencies. I understand that no state in India (as per your constitution) is allowed to have an official flag. Further, i understand that the flag indicated is the flag of the erstwhile Mysore Kingdom. The deposed Wodeyar king of mysore continues to use this flag, albeit, in non official ceremonies. Please discuss.

The royal Mysore flag was appropriated by a political party "Kannada Paksha" which was formed in 1965 by removing the royal crest from it. Though the party did not last long, but the flag which is actually the Kannada Flag stayed on, and is now in the sentiments of the people as the flag which represents Kannada Culture and identity. Hence we now find people using this flag whether for the Karnataka Rajotsava or be it for any protests. However it is not the official flag, and placing it next to the official emblem gives the mistaken impression that it is endorsed by the state government. You may use the flag image, but clearly mention its origin and that it is not an official flag. please refer the following links: [[2]] Tigerassault (talk) 16:01, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

First, the Constitution of India does not explicitly prohibit any state from having an official flag, language or any other insignia. Secondly, the flag, despite its chequered history, continues to be used by the Government of Karnataka on its official website. (The link you posted was a discussion on an unofficial trivia website). Hence, I think it should qualify as the official flag of the state. Regards, SBC-YPR (talk) 17:02, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Does that mean that the colour scheme used in the government website is the official state colour scheme? And that the font is the official font? Get real. An flag can only be official if it is made so by a government order. The flag can be used all over the CM's face, but it still won't be official. For instance, Jaya Bharata Jananiya Tanujate (Kannada: ಜಯ ಭಾರತ ಜನನಿಯ ತನುಜಾತೆ) is a Kannada poem, which was composed by the Indian Kannadiga poet Kuvempu. The poem was officially declared the state anthem of the Indian state of Karnataka on January 6, 2004. Not so for the flag. Tigerassault (talk) 04:35, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

"does not explicitly prohibit" is very speculative. And what you think does not matter on Wikipedia. What we need is a relaibale reference that says that "this is the state flag of Karnataka". Can you find a reliable reference that says that a state in India can have its own flag. In 1996 the ShivSena-BJP combine came to power in Maharashtra and the Shiv Sena put up its own flag on the state legislature. The district collector not only had it removed but also filed a criminal case against the government for violating the constitution of India and causing disrespect to the Indian flag. --Deepak D'Souza 03:46, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

POV2?

There is definite POV in this article. When it is mentioned about the Mauryas or Satavahanas occupying large parts of Karnataka, later mention is conveniently made about Hoysalas occupying parts of Tamil Nadu etc. If that is so what about the uniformly attested information by most historians about the Cholas occupying large parts of Karnataka from the times of Parantaka Chola I (904-950), though he later did lose to the Rashtrakutas, plus the fact that from 985 AD or 995 AD (accession of Raja Raja Chola I of Tanjore) till about 1116 AD when Kulothunga I lost Gangavadi to Hoysala Vishnuvardhana, many parts of central and southern Kannada country were under continuous and constant occupation of Tamil Kings like the Cholas? What about occupation of Kannada country and Konkana Rajya by the Pandiyans for over 50 years between 1240-1308? All this valuable information (Source: K.A.Nilakanta Sastri, A History of South India and another book titled Advanced History of India) have been given a very convenient and I dare say a deliberate miss with the pure aim of misguiding the neutral reader of this page. Just go through the text on kingdoms from Kannada country and of the land/State.. it gives an impression that kingdoms of Tamil country have had nothing at all to do with Kannada country but rather the mention about Hoysala "Empire" unifying Kannada and Tamil country seems a deliberate case of spreading misinformation that ails many of the "Kannada bittas" having a field day in Wikipedia.

If anyone has any questions on my post they can leave a message on my talk page. There are plenty of sources to back up my claims.

Srirangam99 (talk) 10:06, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

I have moved the section to the end of the page . Please dont break the chain of communication. The way you had posted it, it seemd as if you had posted the message in 2009 and someone had replied to it in 2007. --Deepak D'Souza 13:25, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

industrialization

Only Bellary has been termed as steel zone but mineral rich zones such as Hosadurga,chitradurga,chicknayakanahalli and kibbanahalli have no steel industries to provide employment to the people who are facing problems from mining.

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Would adding a few lines about the demand for separate states of Coorg and Tulunadu be a good idea to enhance the coverage of this article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.50.55.122 (talk) 15:54, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Separate articles already exist for Tulu Nadu and Kodagu, of which only the former mentions the demand for a separate state. However, I'm not sure how sustained or notable the movements are, to warrant their inclusion here. Regards, SBC-YPR (talk) 17:22, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

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